Dyno Day - Proof and discovery!

Ok folks...

Who is interested in another dyno day in Sydney?

WITH A VOLKSWAGEN SPECIALIST!

A chance to show that you do have what you say, or even better to find out when you have no idea.

Come on guys, show your interest.
Not every day you get the chance to use a chassis dyno in the shop of a real Volkswagen enthusiast/specialist.

By the way, the price will be less than $50 per car...
Put away a couple of dollars a week between now and then...

It'll probably be around December...

Dyno, VW specialist... hard to beat.

So who is it DUDE 😉

Custom Bugs and Buses will have their dyno running in a couple of weeks. I mentioned the idea to him while he was putting my bottom end together.

If I can let him know the level of interest he'll robably make it a goer...

An all VW Dyno Day at a VW specialist - couldn't want more could you...

Thanks DUDE 😀

wheres it at - not very happy with the guys at SAS!

Heard that C&V Performance have a good dyno, and we could get it under $50 too

what ya guys think?

XXX-1.8T wrote:wheres it at - not very happy with the guys at SAS!

????????? - why not??

Well if the numbers are right it will be even lower than the 50 bucks and it's done by a VOLKSWAGEN SPECIALIAST with a brand new chassis dyno.

They are at Penrith.

Reason why im not happy is first they bad mouthed my car/ECU saying it was running too lean and trying to sell me their dodgy ecu's:pukeOettinger Germany have been working with audi/vw engines for over 50 years so i think they know their stuff than some little Aussie Garage

Secondly the dyno read out was too high - this was the result of pursuit mode which i dont know why they did it this way!
I got 120kw at the wheels which equates to 170kw at the engine which isnt right, my cars not a 170kw car as ive driven a 170kw A3 and its marginally faster than my car.

Apparently Pursuit mode adds 10kw which means my car has around 110kw which equates to around 160kw at the wheels which sounds right 🙂

Now i have to spend another $50 on a dyno to get a proper read out - luckily I put a bigger fuel pressure regulator im curious to see the gains i got from it

My Audi mates got their cars dyno'd at C&V and we very happy and their figures were spot on also :thumb

Which shop is it in Penrith? Is it well equipped with fans etc?

May bring my other Audi mates too if they are welcome too 🙂



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[Edited on 25-8-2003 by XXX-1.8T]

It's Custom Bugs & Buses at Penrith. Haven't seen the dyno yet it arrives next week apparently.

Who knows if we get the interest and we can have the dyno day we might even get to see the CBB Racing supercharged bug on the rollers at full noise.

"I love the smell of methanol in the morning"

[Edited on 25-8-2003 by HotRodMatt]

I think thats pretty harsh Costa. I've been to a few dyno's & I thought that SAS were pretty good. They answered all our questions & the dyno operator seemed genuinly concerned that your car was leaning out & could cause damage. For $50 it's a great warning if u ask me.
Have u had the car back on another dyno to see if what he said was even close to the truth? I would, even if it's another $50, it's better than thousands of dollars of engine damage.
I was very happy with the service & CT & I & few others are going back there in a couple of weeks.
Regardless of what 'mode' the dyno is on, u always use the same dyno on the same mode & it's only then that it's all relative. Thats the only way to see improvements or benefits from upgrades, not from shopping around until a dyno puts out the figure that are happy with or a figure that u are told that your car should have.
regards
Jak

Well SAS know how to tune Aussie and Jap cars but German cars even that are factory and stock would die if they were put on the dyno at SAS its all about the injector setup in these German cars are complex that these guys have no idea

Wheres Guy H to back me up?

:beer

Ill be up for CBB:beer

Lets see now, SAS lots of experiance dynoing vs CBB....... hmmmm 🙂

CBB have been dynoing themselves where they were taking cars. Dyno owners don't let you do the dyno work if they don't trust you. They know what they are doing.

heres an interesting post from ozaudi.com regarding Audis and SAS

http://pub26.ezboard.com/faudiownersforumaustraliafrm9.showMessageRange?topicID=462.topic&start=1&stop=20



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I have had a lengthy conversation with the sales and technical people at Dyno Dyna^&% regarding this shootout mode in the past. The reason was that the 2wd chassis dyno I have been using for years had been sold and moved elsewhere. With the shootout mode in operation what this software asks is whether the vehicle is 2wd, 4wd, rotary or V8. This then assigns an inertial value depending on the vehicles engine size to the rollers to ensure that anyone with this shootout software is using a value that is locked into the software and can't be changed or got at. ie: a calibration value that is suppost to be correct across all Dyno Dyno Dyna’s. Those using dyno's without shootout mode (ie: myself) use an inertia value that is inputted into the dyno software before operation. This can be outputted from the dyno with the power & torque graph. This value could be increased or decreased by the operator for any reason but it is important to realise it was a variable that could be changed. The shootout software is only distributed to approved operators who are using the latest software and who are Dyno Dyna^& approved. Unfortunately I don't remember the criteria for approval whether it be a payment for the latest software, condition or age of the dyno I don't remember. But I hope this helps explain what shootout mode is, because I was confused as to its meaning or actual use. But it is indeed a standard Dyno Dyna^&% has introduced. Whether it works or not Im not qualified to say as I havent compared my vehicle on two different dyno's. But I am keen to place my vehicle on a dyno with shootout mode in operation and see what my power values are, because in the past my figures always seemed low compared to other quoted values from different vehicles of the same engine configurations.
I think Jak has hit the nail on the head though, I have written an article in Club Vee Dub Sydney's magazine about the topic of dyno comparisons. You basically use a dyno for development, interest & most impotantly benchmarking changes.

Hope this helps.
Cheers Leigh


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[Edited on 26-8-2003 by vw59]

Costa's Right, much more problems on the new stuff, traction control, bosch ME7.1 injection etc etc. Should be OK on the older stuff.

Dont understand why they use shootout mode, no - one ever explained that to me.

Last year we dynoed 19 cars our self.

Make sure they use the same settings for everyone!

Thanx guys for the explanation i originally dyno'd my car to see whether i got what i paid (and yes i did:kiss)

But i wasnt to impressed with shoot out mode as i couldnt compare my results with my mates

Hopefully we everythings cool at CBB 🙂

:beer

This is an interesting quote which i want show the guys at SAS by Guy as he knows his stuff

"I was speaking to a BMW mechanic the other day, and he said the interaction between Bosch & BMW was huge after they blew up the first 5 pre production E46 M3's, he tells me this was one of the crucial development features of ME7 was the sampling / adjustment rates enabling these engines to survive at previously unheard of mixture ratio's. A standard A3 or S3 will scare most dyno operators (who generally do Fords, Holdens, Nissan's & Subaru) "

[Edited on 26-8-2003 by XXX-1.8T]

lugnuts wrote:Lets see now, SAS lots of experiance dynoing vs CBB....... hmmmm 🙂

Mick thats a silly comment, u are insinuating that CBB don't know how to dyno cars, who said they don't have the knowledge or experience that SAS do???

Matt, Penrith is a little far for me to come to dyno my car from the Central Coast, SAS are a little closer for me, thats the only reason I chose them in the first place.
But I would defianantly use a VW shops dyno.

regards
Jak

CBB will have the Shootout software installed on the day it goes on the ground...

Come on guys ... some indication of numbers so we can make it a goer!

As long as there is a decent watering hole near by i am always in.

the best part last time was the drinkies after talking about it! :beer

Peachtree Inn right around the corner...

Depending on the date I would be interested.

How does first weekend in December sound?

I'll speak to Mike tomorrow and see what sort of numbers he'll need and when is good for him.

CBB will of course be dyno tuning from the day it arrives.

I cant come unless its incognito 🙁

It wasnt autronic, i think it was chiptorque or unichip, modern VW/Audi's dont work well with those crappy piggy back ECU's.

Thats why German company's like Oettinger or MTM spend millions of Deutsche marks on R&D on the tuning of these complex engines, so when they do tune them they dont sacrifice driveability for performance - my car feels like any other stock audi except it goes heaps harder 😉

for me information check out www.oettinger.com

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OK. I spoke to Mike last night...

Here's the deal. If we can can get at least 10 cars. VW (and Audi) Only Dyno Day.

The price will be $35 per car. After everyone has had a run if you want to fiddle with your settings subsequent runs will be FREE!

Now you can't get better than that can you? A Dyno day with a Volkswagen Specialist for $35 and as long as everyone that comes has their run if you want another run you get it free!

Sounds like a good deal for you guys down there in SYD.
$35 bucks for a few hours of vw chat and a run to see what ya car puts out !!!
Carn't go wrong in my book !!!!!!

Oh yeah... when?

First Sunday in December. That'd be the 7th.

lugnuts wrote:I cant come unless its incognito 🙁

C'mon Lugnuts

See if ya can make double figures!!!

Matt - i'm in.

Can you ask him what we get on the print out. I liked the AF mixture but would have been "nice" to know what torque is.

Also does it register in km/hr or revs??

Now - all you peoples with IDF's single or twins.

I have a hand full of idles/mains/airs and E's

How about we all bring or spares along so as we can do some tests instead od spending $50 a pop for jet changes

Who needs to fine tune their Webers??
:bounce

What sort of Dyno is it?

How many fans have they got?

Sounds good I reckon i can get another 5 people in for sure

:beer

Dyno Dynamics.

With the latest shootout software too.

Dunno how many fans. It doesn't arrive til this weekend...

cant we do it b4 December its too long away?

what about November?

Dyno Dynamics - cool 🙂

I think they'll be concentrating on doing dyno work til then... LOL

So any more takers?

Hey Mat - thats cool!

Just me for $35 and as many pulls as i like :bounce:bounce:bounce

C'mon dudes - if just for the "mine is bigger than yours" drinks afterwards

I'm in, but this time I'm going to the pub after. I don't want a repeat of the last time we went to a dyno day...it went something like this
...waiting at lights..........BANG......
"ow sorwe, I no see you deer",
"is dat carw spensive?",
"I not see, I woz fexin my mirwa". 😠

guess I'd better go, but I'll be going for "the most power from a 34 pict".........
Yes its sad, but " a Least its economical ".
- 1. Oil change done.
-2. tappets next week.
-3. fix that extractor leak following....etc, etc

the dyno is in Use at the shop.
Only trouble is - now there is a que to get on it......Darn.!

December 7, count me in :thumb

I can't wait for my 1776....

I got a neck-snapping 40.5HP out of my tired 1600.

Guess we'll see on the dyno day what the extra capacity, kadrons, big valve heads, cam and counterweighted crank add to the total....

Hey mat it will intersting to compare your 1776 to mine (I will show you yours if you...... etc etc)

Seriously..... care to have a stab at what you think???

I would be interested but not sure at this stage as it is a long way a way. Keep me posted. Sounds like a fun day. Maybe I can con one of you more knowlegable vw people to tune my 1904 twin dellorto'ed type 3???? Any takers.

Barry,

I'd guess around high 60s? Better to be conservative....

When the heads go on and we have some idea of compression and when the carbs are jetted it might be better to have a guess then....

Will find out in December hey...

Yep - twill be interesting

What heads and can did you end going with

I have jetted mine a bit better than last time. A bit leaner.
AP2 cam
Worked-ish 040's
61.1 ponies

I am hoping to get over 65.

You running stock rockers???

Heads have been semi-hemi cut. 40 inlet 35 exhaust. Roller rocker - will get some ratios when i can afford it. CBB Stage 1 cam.

Ok..... so it is really
40/35 & Kads Vs 35/32 & IDF's


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We will wait and see

I'm in, should be able to scrape 35 bucks up after all the rego shit for my two vehicles falls due around then...
make sure we put up a new post around the time it's gonna be on...
so i don't forget with my seive-like memory 😀
i'm going for four BILLION horsepower 😀
*removes pinky from corner of mouth*

anyone else?

looking like it might be a good day...

was there on fri , mike just had to show me how it all works, he fired up a single port 1600 " clapper " ( holey exhaust etc..)
to a Humungous 23 BHP.....
so your 1600 Matt looks Pretty good in comparison.
Cant wait till Dec.

I really really want to dyno my golf but at the moment i just don't seem to have the time to do it. it's still the 'standard' 97 engine that comes with the car...with just some changes to the leads/plugs/suspension/exhaust. waiting to do the ecu and everything else i want to (dream of)

I cant wait either:bounce

so it's the 7th december.. ?

i heard there was one going on on the 18th october... :alien

yep 7th of December....

I will have the flyers done up with all the details by weeks end...

I'll be there with bells on.

It will be a good comparison with my last dyno run.

And for those of you who have got big motors and havn't been on a dyno before It'll be fun to wath your faces when you hear for the first time your engine sreeming its titts off and you have no control over whats going on, believe me its scary, but rest asure its only sounds like its being reved to 10,000 rpm it'll really freek you out.

But don't worry Mike knows what he's doing and has the utmost respect for a customers car. And to prove it I'll go first.:thumb

It would be nice to maybe see a race car their too.