QLD P PLATERS BEWARE IN NSW OF LAWS

Remember that it IS illegal in NSW to display a p plate in the rear window or windscreen..

the NSW police also know that You will lose Your licence when charged....

So beware of NSW Highway Patrol cars...

and remove those P Plates..

before coming over the border

Lee

68AutoBug wrote:and remove those P Plates..

before coming over the border

Lee

You mean MOVE those plates

This country needs national road laws. This state difference is ridiculous.

Trailer towing
90kph limits
power restrictions
Plate displaying
Passenger restrictions
etc.

X2

You will find that most police are actually tolerant of this difference between states Lee. If they can see you have vehicle registered in an alternate state they are flexible on plate location, its not the end of the world.

MISS VDUB wrote:You will find that most police are actually tolerant of this difference between states Lee. If they can see you have vehicle registered in an alternate state they are flexible on plate location, its not the end of the world.

Hi Ash
Why I know this, I have a nephew in the police force in NSW
He said the Highway Patrol officers
WILL enforce this Law...

Most ordinary Police will ignore them

but Once over the border..

the NSW Highway Patrol will Book You...

and they know that the QLD or SA etc P platers are NOT breaking the law in their state....

But they are there to UPHOLD the road rules of NSW...
and they will and do...

I meant remove the P plates from Your windows...

Lee

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ASH

That is what I was told....

and It will the end of the world for a P Plater whatever state YOU come from....

it IS a law in NSW....

they cannot really have a law for NSW drivers and one for interstate drivers...

[although it should be an automatic NONE loss of license for interstate drivers]

When I told My sister in Law from Adelaide ..
She said where else can you put a P plate?? lol

LEE

helbus wrote:This country needs national road laws. This state difference is ridiculous.

Trailer towing
90kph limits
power restrictions
Plate displaying
Passenger restrictions
etc.

I have to agree with this. I get booked all the time when driving the truck to SA. When it comes to my log book if I stay legal in QLD I'm breaking the law in SA and vice versa. It's a joke and the sooner it's fixed the better. But I do remember many years ago I was booked riding my bike in NSW without a P plate which at the time you didn't need one in Qld. Nearly spent the night in the lockup over that one after I told the cop what I thought of that law😬

the thing I have trouble with is WHY can't you have your P plates inside the car, I would think that as long as they are clearly visable then that's what is required, how many times do you see P plates stuck behind the number plate with hardly any of it showing, crazy rule !🤪

Those stupid window stick on P plates are usually very hard to see.

Was alright 20 years ago when most P platers drove older cars with almost vertical windscreens and no tinting but these days they give loans to any little school kid to go out and buy a newer car with an almost horizontal windscreen and dark window tinting making those window ones hard to see.

Its not hard to go to the RTA, get a pile of free P plates and a number plate holder from supercheap.

You cant see them in the window at all when it's dark.

Hi

Im pretty sure that Qld L platers can do the posted speed limit, in NSW learners can only do 80, how do Qld learners go with this in NSW?

Steve

donn wrote:the thing I have trouble with is WHY can't you have your P plates inside the car, I would think that as long as they are clearly visable then that's what is required, how many times do you see P plates stuck behind the number plate with hardly any of it showing, crazy rule !🤪

Years ago
My Son was friends with a local highway patrol officer
My Son was a spray painter, and he rode an off road motor bike that was very popular back then..
He was always being pulled up by this cop who couldn't recognize him on the bike...
He was lucky as all the others kids were being booked for having a hidden or partly seen P plate..
as they were all stuck up under the number plate usually..
or they even fell off... lol
another son was always pulled up when driving My car with P plates..
a friends Son never ever displayed P plates and never ever got booked or pulled up... lol
the magnetic ones are OK on the back where there is metal to stick to... and on the bonnet as there isn't any metal on the front these days..
but the metal, now plastic brackets for P plates are very cheap these days... they screw to the number plate and the plates slide in...
a friend of My Wife who only got her licence when she was 50, was getting pulled up for having a P plate on her car.. lol
as she looked too old for a P Plater.. lol

Lee

1303Steve wrote:Hi

Im pretty sure that Qld L platers can do the posted speed limit, in NSW learners can only do 80, how do Qld learners go with this in NSW?

Steve

I would only drive at 80 Steve... ...
I don't know if QLD etc has the two different P Plates now either..

also remember being booked can cost you a lot of money in insurance and third party insurance now too...
once points are lost... $$$

LEE

Lee is 100% correct - it does not matter what we know or do in Queensland - when in Rome play by Rome's rules - end of story !

It's all about the 6 p's to success ....Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance .... Amen

1303Steve wrote:Hi

Im pretty sure that Qld L platers can do the posted speed limit, in NSW learners can only do 80, how do Qld learners go with this in NSW?

Steve

I'd like to know as my son is on his L's and wants to drive his Baja to Valla

11CAB wrote:I'd like to know as my son is on his L's and wants to drive his Baja to Valla

i suppose all it takes is one phone call to Tweed heads police station as that would be the closest NSW station to you queenslanders, but as most of us New south welshers have said its most likely 80ks for a learner and 90 for reds and 100 for greens....

1303Steve wrote:Hi

Im pretty sure that Qld L platers can do the posted speed limit, in NSW learners can only do 80, how do Qld learners go with this in NSW?

Steve

what??? 80 limit?? thats crazy! and dangerous.

how many times I have come close to running into some on the highways because they are going so slow, you just can't tell how slow they are til you are close at which that point you shit your self and try dodge them.

vlad01 wrote:

1303Steve wrote:Hi

Im pretty sure that Qld L platers can do the posted speed limit, in NSW learners can only do 80, how do Qld learners go with this in NSW?

Steve

what??? 80 limit?? thats crazy! and dangerous.

Yep, almost as dangerous as someone with zero driving experience trying to control a car at 100km/h.

Joel wrote:

vlad01 wrote:

1303Steve wrote:Hi

Im pretty sure that Qld L platers can do the posted speed limit, in NSW learners can only do 80, how do Qld learners go with this in NSW?

Steve

what??? 80 limit?? thats crazy! and dangerous.

Yep, almost as dangerous as someone with zero driving experience trying to control a car at 100km/h.

Amen

Cheers Col

Joel wrote:

vlad01 wrote:

1303Steve wrote:Hi

Im pretty sure that Qld L platers can do the posted speed limit, in NSW learners can only do 80, how do Qld learners go with this in NSW?

Steve

what??? 80 limit?? thats crazy! and dangerous.

Yep, almost as dangerous as someone with zero driving experience trying to control a car at 100km/h.

ballocks!

first thing lerners should do is drive their cars to the limits (in a supervised controlled enviroment) to get the proper feel of theirs cars, then step back to normal road driving.

This should be mandatory like it is in Germany etc...

Trust me, I've had to teach a couple of Learner drivers from scratch who are completely mechanically retarded and don't know the steering wheel from the boot release.

These are the ones when starting out that you do not want hurtling down the road at 100km/h.

Not everyone gets a feel for a car straight away.

Joel wrote:Trust me, I've had to teach a couple of Learner drivers from scratch who are completely mechanically retarded and don't know the steering wheel from the boot release.

These are the ones when starting out that you do not want hurtling down the road at 100km/h.

Not everyone gets a feel for a car straight away.

Amen to that Joel, vlad, if you, as an experienced driver, can't realise that you are gaining on a vehicle in front and take the necessary steps (brake, change lanes) to not have to take emergency action to avoid colliding with them then you realy should do some driving courses, either that or post where your driving so I can avoid the area. 🤪

That's why I said " controlled " envorment. It's how they do it in Europe
They teach new driver the limits of their vehicle in a safe envodoment with actual learners car. They get a feel and a taste for what the vehicle is capable of and also spooks them a little into sense. Then they back off and start from the basics.
As of a result they have the best, safest , fastest drivers in the world with one of lowest fatalities in the world.

Our country's aproch to driving and driver education is all wrong period!
More and more strict regulation is not the answer. Just look and drugs and alcohol and how the government has tried to fix it. It's worse than ever, same thing has already happen to driving.

vlad01 wrote:how many times I have come close to running into some on the highways because they are going so slow, you just can't tell how slow they are til you are close at which that point you shit your self and try dodge them.

maybe Vlad, you should have been restricted when you were learning to drive. hahaha

11CAB wrote:

1303Steve wrote:Hi

Im pretty sure that Qld L platers can do the posted speed limit, in NSW learners can only do 80, how do Qld learners go with this in NSW?

Steve

I'd like to know as my son is on his L's and wants to drive his Baja to Valla

NSW Laws are for every driver driving on NSW Roads...
regardless of what P plate You have on Your car..

Tweed heads police station will be able to quote the NSW road laws but its NOT the average police who do this, its the HIGHWAY Patrol..
and everything they do is videoed , so NO warnings anymore.
and their job is to Book people breaking the NSW Road laws.

and that is what they Do... and that is what brings in millions of dollars a year in revenue..

My Son got booked TWICE a couple of years ago when He was driving a 4wd for the first time and at a stop sign the front tyres went on the line as it stopped.
He was booked for NOT stopping at a stop sign and going over the line. I went to the local police station and they said it was NOT usual to be booked twice for the same thing.
But that is what they do...

LEE

My missus has been driving for decades and she can still scare the piss and pickhandles out of me!

donn wrote:

Joel wrote:Trust me, I've had to teach a couple of Learner drivers from scratch who are completely mechanically retarded and don't know the steering wheel from the boot release.

These are the ones when starting out that you do not want hurtling down the road at 100km/h.

Not everyone gets a feel for a car straight away.

Amen to that Joel, vlad, if you, as an experienced driver, can't realise that you are gaining on a vehicle in front and take the necessary steps (brake, change lanes) to not have to take emergency action to avoid colliding with them then you realy should do some driving courses, either that or post where your driving so I can avoid the area. 🤪

From my prospective it only apparent they are too slow only once I start changing lanes thinking they only going 5 k slower then realizing that really they are going 30k slower.

It's a bit meaningless to say move to the other lane when someone doesn't realize or expect someone I front to be going so slow, it's quite often hard to tell what speed difference there is when directly behind the vehicle in question as the car isn't moving relitive to one's view point. I can relate with a lot of people that this happen to them on a regular basis. Seen it happen to other drivers on the road too. Actually take note what happens when one person is speeding through traffic on a freeway, then compare it when you see the same scenario but with one slow person instead of a speeding one. Then comeback here and tell me which one caused more havoc, don't answer that with assumption go take note of your observations.

Yes that is correct Vlad..

there are a lot of Learners on the road at the moment up this way and on a one lane highway they end up with 30+ cars behind them. They should be told by their instructor [probably their Dad] to pull over now and then to let the cars etc pass them and go back to the 100KMH.. also gives them some practice at pulling onto the highway... in between traffic...

and I have seen in multi lane roads where slow vehicles really cause a problem and as most large trucks have so much horsepower and torque these days they also have to change lanes..

LEE

Many people complain about speeding P Platers but at least they aren't slowing all the traffic flow down...

Thats why the NSW highway Patrol are called the "gestapo" with their knee high leather boots and smart ass attitude. I've had them twice on a trip to valla push me in my Kombi to try and make me speed so they could get me then when i just sat dead on the limit they overtook me on double unbroken lines!! It's not about keeping and making the roads safe its just damm revenue raising!!

Whether you are on your red p's green p's or your purple p's if you are in a stocko splitty youll only be doing 80 flat out anyway LOL I'll be following my cousins in their 56 and 53 splitties so no worry about getting booked LOL

Besides if you get done by a speed camera in NSW you are stupid as they tell you where it is for about 2-3kms from where it actually is unlike here in QLD where there are some with no signs at all......

vlad, if you, as an experienced driver, can't realise that you are gaining on a vehicle in front and take the necessary steps (brake, change lanes) to not have to take emergency action to avoid colliding with them

I stick by my statement having taken note of what REALY happens and with over 40 years (unfortunatly not uneventfull) driving behind me.😍😍😠

Hi

Talk about getting goaded by the NSW highway patrol.

Couple of weeks ago I was driving my sons bug to Der Erste Freitag. I was driving along a 4 lane road (2 each way) with a 70 kph limit, next thing a white unmarked XR6 Falcon comes up alongside at a bit over the speed limit, he kept speeding up and slowing down.

I'm too old to get sucked into his caper and I knew it was unmarked car because a normal citizen could not get away with having window tint as dark as him.

Then later on the same road where it went into 3 lanes at a set of traffic lights, I moved off from the lights briskly the same Falcon came tearing up behind me at a very fast pace, I would guess at about 90-100 kph then sat beside me again, speeding up and slowing down.

Steve

vlad01 wrote:how many times I have come close to running into some on the highways because they are going so slow, you just can't tell how slow they are til you are close at which that point you shit your self and try dodge them.

Oh for God's sake!!!!!

😠

donn wrote:

Joel wrote:Trust me, I've had to teach a couple of Learner drivers from scratch who are completely mechanically retarded and don't know the steering wheel from the boot release.

These are the ones when starting out that you do not want hurtling down the road at 100km/h.

Not everyone gets a feel for a car straight away.

Amen to that Joel, vlad, if you, as an experienced driver, can't realise that you are gaining on a vehicle in front and take the necessary steps (brake, change lanes) to not have to take emergency action to avoid colliding with them then you realy should do some driving courses, either that or post where your driving so I can avoid the area. 🤪

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1303Steve wrote:Hi

Im pretty sure that Qld L platers can do the posted speed limit, in NSW learners can only do 80, how do Qld learners go with this in NSW?

Steve

You must abide by the conditions of your license, and the conditions of the state in which you are in, or whichever is lower. So qlders are only permitted to do 80in NSW

vlad01 wrote:

1303Steve wrote:Hi

Im pretty sure that Qld L platers can do the posted speed limit, in NSW learners can only do 80, how do Qld learners go with this in NSW?

Steve

what??? 80 limit?? thats crazy! and dangerous.

how many times I have come close to running into some on the highways because they are going so slow, you just can't tell how slow they are til you are close at which that point you shit your self and try dodge them.

Sounds like you need driving lessons...

I know that Queensland HP are trained to pick NSW plated cars with L plates, and to monitor their 80k restriction. And likewise NSW HP of Queensland drivers...

In saying that, they dont know all the rules, had one pull me up and try to tell the driver they must be wearing shoes, cant drive in bare feet. He wasnt impressed when i corrected him. Thongs are not permitted but no shoes is fine...

Yep, did my driving test without shoes on. Unless I'm wearing my work boots, I never have shoes on when driving.

byronbus wrote:I know that Queensland HP are trained to pick NSW plated cars with L plates, and to monitor their 80k restriction. And likewise NSW HP of Queensland drivers...

In saying that, they dont know all the rules, had one pull me up and try to tell the driver they must be wearing shoes, cant drive in bare feet. He wasnt impressed when i corrected him. Thongs are not permitted but no shoes is fine...

YIKES
Many truck drivers in NSW [that I see] are wearing thongs, even Now..
also illegal in NSW to go over 3 Metres from your car without locking it with windows nearly closed. I've only heard one case of this law being carried out at a service station where nearly everyone was booked over a few hours. Can't lock Your kids in the car either.. or leave engine and air con running in hot weather.
or even the windows down..
Indicators must be used for at least 5 seconds also.. when changing lanes turning etc.. $147 2 demerit points

Rest your arm on or out of the open window is $265 fine//
including adjusting your exterior mirror ..
although driving the wrong way round a roundabout has no demerits etc..??

and last but not least- dust/dirt on the number plate is a $353 fine.. that's why I polish My rear number plate every day.. lol 😂😂

this law is ignored in country towns, as after a bit of rain You cannot read most of the 4WD out of town cars, actually You have a job even seeing the plate at all...

Lee