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beetle drift car
turboty - February 22nd, 2013 at 12:19 PM

[size=4]hey all,,,


has anyone made a beetle drift/track car that people know of??

pro and cons??

pics welcome[/size]


Joel - February 22nd, 2013 at 12:51 PM

This thread oughta create some interesting repsonses.

Plenty of people have track bugs but drifting a bug you have one very large con in the way.

All the weight is over your rear wheels right where you don't want it to be.

there is the odd drift out there but the driveline to do it costs more than you can imagine.

If you wanna go drifting just get an old RWD Corolla or datto and weld the diff.


snitz - February 22nd, 2013 at 01:59 PM

Cheaper to but a KE70 Corolla and drop in a 1UZFE..Cheap drifter and skids in all gears!.


AA003 - February 22nd, 2013 at 02:00 PM

Would be very hard to drive.


nils - February 22nd, 2013 at 02:37 PM

my brother (boozo bug) took his out to an open drift day some years ago, and can definatly confirm a bug is real hard to drift. Tends to be better at doing donuts :lol:


SebastienPeek - February 22nd, 2013 at 02:44 PM

Have seen a few drifters, and know of a vert 1303 that is being made into a drift missile.

Two of them that I know of run 2.4l Type 4's, and another one has a ej22 in it.

Either way, would be a bitch to handle as, like Joel mentioned, all the weight is in the rear. This makes getting the rear out easy, but not necessarily bringing it back in.
Because it is heavier at the rear, it will always want to spin due to the momentum in the rear swinging around. I've done it, not good fun.

Definitely get an old school RWD front mounted engine car if you want to drift. R31's are nice.


turboty - February 22nd, 2013 at 02:49 PM

yeah could get something 'easy' to do skids in... my r32 skyline does fine but there is a million of them... i've never seen a beetle!!

just putting it out there!!! i want to see one... Can Rod Penrose put up the motor ie donation lol... everyone can chip in and get this done i'm sure!!


Joel - February 22nd, 2013 at 02:53 PM

Christians Lbug pulls a mean drift but it's got a massive f__k off type4 in to do it


turboty - February 22nd, 2013 at 03:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Joel
Christians Lbug pulls a mean drift but it's got a massive f__k off type4 in to do it




yeah i saw this years ago... made me fall in love with bugs!!!
odd how no one want to build it??


turboty - February 22nd, 2013 at 03:30 PM

should i say that its too expensive... if it was cheaper would there be more race bugs??


Smiley - February 22nd, 2013 at 04:40 PM

I don't think it would be impossible. It would just be a little more difficult and you you would have to be creative during the build of the car.

Like moving as much weight up the front as you possibly can and lightening the crap out of the rear. And yes you would need a good engine like a Type 4.

Would be an interesting challenge for someone to undertake.



Smiley :)


shokwave2 - February 22nd, 2013 at 05:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Joel
Christians Lbug pulls a mean drift but it's got a massive f__k off type4 in to do it




My beetle drifts like that around the large roundabout near my house. Couldn't you just weigh down the front with lead or bricks and drift away? :lol:


Joel - February 22nd, 2013 at 06:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by shokwave2

My beetle drifts like that around the large roundabout near my house.


http://memecrunch.com/meme/4MD7/nek-minnit/image.png


http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4150/5032778419_a297cce1a6_z.jpg


Smiley - February 22nd, 2013 at 06:25 PM

My Baja drifts ok on the sand or dirt :D


Smiley :)


SuperOwen - February 22nd, 2013 at 07:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Smiley
I don't think it would be impossible. It would just be a little more difficult and you you would have to be creative during the build of the car.

Like moving as much weight up the front as you possibly can and lightening the crap out of the rear. And yes you would need a good engine like a Type 4.

Would be an interesting challenge for someone to undertake.



Smiley :)


You're suggesting moving weight to the front and then fitting a boat anchor to the rear? :lol:

Being a bit more serious for a second you can accomplish a lot with swaybars and spring rates to get a car not to handle...ie drift. I think some sort of engine conversion to something late model that revs all day would make sense for a drift car, but again it's more weight in the back.

A stiff rear roll bar is your friend in promoting oversteer.


Joel - February 22nd, 2013 at 07:22 PM

A type4 converted to upright is not much heavier than a type1

Its that stupid pancake cooling system with the cast shroud that adds weight to a type 4 in stock form.

THis guy is out there mixing it up with the Jap scrap using a type1 engine, I bet he does a lot of engine tear downs after each season though

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9833/26258318690125331311475.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2474/22968822270200316041130.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9264/30014927766113558033410.jpg


AA003 - February 22nd, 2013 at 07:23 PM

Put the engine in the front.


mactaylor - February 22nd, 2013 at 08:42 PM

EJ25T+more boost!


IWL_86 - February 22nd, 2013 at 09:10 PM

My old turbo beetle drifted well until a tree got in the way!


barls - February 22nd, 2013 at 09:28 PM

from another forum
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=132978&hilit=drift 
also try contacting this user
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=53880&page=3#pid856739 
he has been drifting them for a while


turboty - February 22nd, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by barls
from another forum
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=132978&hilit=drift 
also try contacting this user
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=53880&page=3#pid856739 
he has been drifting them for a while



drifting for a while but by the look of things its a full race car... i'd hate to think how much the total cost would be...


STIDUB - February 23rd, 2013 at 10:10 AM

I've promised a few drifting mates ill get mine to qld raceway one Friday night, eventually, or a private day to save on embarrassment, just gotta finish it first :lol:


1303Steve - February 23rd, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Hi

Now that I have Quaife I might give it a go in the future, it will have to be wet track as I cant break traction in the dry.

A friend of my son is building a Beetle bodied drift car, with all Corolla running gear.

Steve


turboty - February 23rd, 2013 at 04:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1303Steve
Hi

Now that I have Quaife I might give it a go in the future, it will have to be wet track as I cant break traction in the dry.

A friend of my son is building a Beetle bodied drift car, with all Corolla running gear.

Steve


So a corolla with a bug shell? Or just running gear?
Mate of mine has an sr20t ke70... goes really hard... keep us posted


IWL_86 - February 23rd, 2013 at 06:27 PM

2nd gear was always interesting in my old 4age panel. 8000rpm ringing in nothing more than a biscuit tin!!! Hahaha


Undis - February 26th, 2013 at 06:39 PM

Here is a thread on the French drift beetle.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=446188&highlight=drift 


LIFE IN THE LOW LANE - February 27th, 2013 at 09:35 AM

Seeing as more and more people these days opt for transplants into vw's especially of the Subaru variety if I had the cash I'd do the same. I'd get an impreza wrx and gut the crap out of it and put a 2.7L type 4 in it with a gt42r with 20psi. Make it rear wheel drive and go and have some fun and upset some people hahaha


matberry - February 27th, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Funny you say that Brenndan, Col and I were discussing exactly that a few weeks ago. He knows of a cheap wrx that has had the engine robbed and we suggested exactly that to get the rice eaters to stand up and take notice.


LIFE IN THE LOW LANE - February 27th, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Do it Matt!! Take one back for the air cooled team!! I reckon it would be awesome!! 6 speed sti box and cooling system would be so easy!! Porsche shroud with ducting to where radiator would normally be so always pulling fresh air. Barrel cooler for intake and away we go!! Imagine the looks when you lift the bonnet!!


VWMA Editor - February 27th, 2013 at 04:21 PM

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