new 1600 twin port motor
nicole - June 8th, 2006 at 08:30 AM
what is anyones opinion on putting in a new engine in a beetle or doing a reco. and what would be your suggestion as the best opition?
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bond - June 8th, 2006 at 08:47 AM
where abouts are you in bris nicole?
nick
nicole - June 8th, 2006 at 08:51 AM
ipswich
mackaymanx - June 8th, 2006 at 08:51 AM
I've just bought a new motor(mexican) for my manx. I got it from Beach Buggy Australia http://www.beachbuggy.com.au/ ,it was $2048 + freight.
This will give you an idea how much it will cost for a new motor.
ian.mezz - June 8th, 2006 at 08:54 AM
the main factor in getting a motor is cost??????????
ive had new and reco both have been good.
it all depends and how much money u have?????????:o
nicole - June 8th, 2006 at 08:57 AM
yeah i have had a few quote to install a new twin port ranging from $2300 to $3000
ian.mezz - June 8th, 2006 at 09:04 AM
http://www.cbbvw.com/engines.html
here are a few motors, cost vary ,also u have to take into account what esle is in need of replacing on the motor.eg
carby, exhaust, engine bay seals,it all adds up very quickly
Schmoburger - June 8th, 2006 at 10:02 AM
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I've just bought a new motor(mexican) for my manx. I got it from Beach Buggy Australia http://www.beachbuggy.com.au/ ,it was $2048 + freight.
This will give you an idea how much it will cost for a new motor.
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Werent Mexican parts dodgy as hell tho? 
pete wood - June 8th, 2006 at 10:15 AM
Sorry, I still think a reco is better. The german internals are much superior to the mexican. And this is for a type 3 isn't it? Talk to Mick Motors
or Volksrestore (or someone else up there) and get them to rebuild what you have. 
MickH - June 8th, 2006 at 01:48 PM
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Sorry, I still think a reco is better. The german internals are much superior to the mexican. And this is for a type 3 isn't it? Talk to Mick Motors
or Volksrestore (or someone else up there) and get them to rebuild what you have.
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Yeh....when you get a rebuild for the same $$$$ as a new "Mexican" engine in most cases you get an old engine back with new "Mexican" parts
inside. I'm a VW mechanic and for the price of an all new engine i wouldn't bother with a rebuild.With a "new" engine it is NEW,not old with new
parts.Different story if you are a purist and want the original engine for the sake of numbers etc....but each to their own. Just buy a new one and
save yourself the hassels.....(my opinion only):kiss
mackaymanx - June 8th, 2006 at 02:19 PM
pete it's for a stick-shift beetle. I think the quote for $2300 sounds good if it includes
-Refit and new seals for the semi-auto oil pump
-fitting of flex plate and end float adjustment
-and new motor of course
Fit new torque converter seals while engine is out( ask 68AutoBug about this)
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pete wood - June 8th, 2006 at 04:02 PM
Sorry, it's that cast crank that scares me. Wouldn't you get a german piston/barrell set on a good rebuild?
Ampdub - June 8th, 2006 at 04:40 PM
i rebuilt my own on the loungeroom floor, went for ages and took off hard.
no problem with rebuild just make sure you use good parts i suppose
MickH - June 8th, 2006 at 05:09 PM
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Sorry, it's that cast crank that scares me. Wouldn't you get a german piston/barrell set on a good rebuild?
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Why would a cast crank scare you?????Not like it's pushing mega HP...it would be fine.
dubbill - June 8th, 2006 at 09:27 PM
for the money youd have to go the new motor if you want a reliable rebuild you seriously would have to pay much more than 2300 big gold coins remember
a driven rebuild probably lasts 3-5 yrs the motor your rebuilding is prob 30-40 yrs old you do the math start afresh AND imo budget for a new
carburettor on your new engine as this will definatly extend the life of a motor keep it in tune do your services and a new motor will prob last you
12yrs plus and show you much 
pete wood - June 8th, 2006 at 10:59 PM
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Sorry, it's that cast crank that scares me. Wouldn't you get a german piston/barrell set on a good rebuild?
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Why would a cast crank scare you?????Not like it's pushing mega HP...it would be fine.
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Dr Porsche put forged cranks in KDF beetles precisely because all the cast ones broke during testing. And they were putting out less than 25hp in most
cases. A late model 1600 puts out 50hp doesn't?
Anyway, I know you're gonna tell me casting methods are better now and all, but I couldn't buy a cast crank given that originally, 1600s came with
forged ones. And I know a VW prof who quoted me less than 2300 for a rebuild. Anyway, it's horses for courses, if she's happy with a cast crank let
her buy one, but don't ask me to recommend one coz I wouldn't, that's all.
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koolkarmakombi - June 9th, 2006 at 01:08 PM
exactly what you said,
casting and machining tech has come a long way since Dr F
cast cranks can work well, they use they in a range of vehicles now. cast pistons etc
it is like ring tech, come a looooooooong way
the other option is a flux capacitor! :kiss
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Sorry, it's that cast crank that scares me. Wouldn't you get a german piston/barrell set on a good rebuild?
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Why would a cast crank scare you?????Not like it's pushing mega HP...it would be fine.
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Dr Porsche put forged cranks in KDF beetles precisely because all the cast ones broke during testing. And they were putting out less than 25hp in most
cases. A late model 1600 puts out 50hp doesn't?
Anyway, I know you're gonna tell me casting methods are better now and all, but I couldn't buy a cast crank given that originally, 1600s came with
forged ones. And I know a VW prof who quoted me less than 2300 for a rebuild. Anyway, it's horses for courses, if she's happy with a cast crank let
her buy one, but don't ask me to recommend one coz I wouldn't, that's all.
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pete wood - June 9th, 2006 at 01:20 PM
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cast cranks can work well, they use they in a range of vehicles now. cast pistons etc
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like for instance?
MickH - June 9th, 2006 at 01:25 PM
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cast cranks can work well, they use they in a range of vehicles now. cast pistons etc
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like for instance?
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Holden,Ford,Mitsubishi,Hyundai etc. Even with high performance VW's you have an option of cast or forged cranks,depending on your application.:P This
discussion is dead.Can we return to the original thread topic now???
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mackaymanx - June 9th, 2006 at 01:32 PM
I think we've scared nicole away!
pete wood - June 9th, 2006 at 02:12 PM
sorry Nicole, buy a mexi engine if you want one. they have a warranty.
volksnerd - June 9th, 2006 at 03:58 PM
definitely replace that torque convertor seal. they are a little hard to find though.......
64vwmark - June 9th, 2006 at 11:12 PM
I've heard that those torque converter seals can be real easy to damage when you remove the engine.
As for the new vs reco engine debate, I personally would go for the reco, it's a good opportunity to get an engine more suited to your driving style
because you can modify it.:thumb
nicole - June 10th, 2006 at 07:43 AM
no i am still here just find everyone opinion interresting to here all the different ways of doing things.
volksnerd - June 12th, 2006 at 11:06 AM
The secret is to unbolt the torque converter before removing the engine that way you dont disturb the seal.
68AutoBug - June 12th, 2006 at 04:00 PM
Yes,
a disturbed old hardened torque converter oil seal will probably leak...
I would still replace it....
I don't think there are any in Australia...
I bought Mine from CIP1 in the USA...
Send Me Your details Nicole and I'll tell You the part number you need....
Chassis number needed...
cheers
Lee
68AutoBug - June 12th, 2006 at 04:05 PM
One of the locals just bought a New mexican 1600 engine from Mick Motors in Brisbane...
Maybe the engines are OEM Volkswagen quality....
A Fellow in the US who has been into VWs for many years making hot road, drag and offroad VW engines and He always uses a used VW case as it has
already been stressed....
A New case is unstressed....
Never been hot.....
Lee
volksnerd - June 12th, 2006 at 04:39 PM
The local VW shop in Fremantle should still have some converter seals in stock.
68AutoBug - June 12th, 2006 at 05:00 PM
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The local VW shop in Fremantle should still have some converter seals in stock.
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Whats their name???
Lee
volksnerd - June 12th, 2006 at 05:27 PM
V-DUB Repairs and Spares 125 south tce Fremantle WA.