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VW World's first EFI car
bus914 - August 28th, 2006 at 12:20 AM

http://www.bosch.com/content/language2/html/2978.htm

[ Edited on 28-8-2006 by bus914 ]

66deluxe - August 28th, 2006 at 08:20 AM

Yeah thats cool how VW used it first, some people don't believe you when you tell them though.

a1samurai - August 29th, 2006 at 07:14 PM

Bosch actually bought that system (Patent rights) from Bendix from what I understand.
The system debut in 1958 (in Bendix design guise) on a DeSoto.

MickH - August 29th, 2006 at 07:40 PM

Dont forget they are talking ELECTRONIC fuel injection.......not FUEL INJECTION which had been around for donkeys years.:dork:

a1samurai - August 29th, 2006 at 08:05 PM

The original electronic Bendix (later Bosch) system is recognised as the first commercial electronically control fuel injection system. It ran an analogue control system that calculated fueling requirements via engine speed and intake mainfold air pressure to determine the air mass.

Mechanical fuel injection systems had been around at least the early 20's on diesel engines with the Bosch developing those system and debuting the commercial mechanical FI system in '55 on the 300SL. And of course aftermarket guys like Hillborn made Mechanical FI systems in the 60's. :tu:

bus914 - August 29th, 2006 at 08:32 PM

a1samurai good call.

but, all Bendix EFI (DeSoto) cars were recalled and fitted with dual four barrel carburetors.

source:http://www.duricy.com/~desoto/desaga/destuff.shtml

so VW was the first EFI car that actually worked. :lol:

[ Edited on 29-8-2006 by bus914 ]

MickH - August 29th, 2006 at 08:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by a1samurai
The original electronic Bendix (later Bosch) system is recognised as the first commercial electronically control fuel injection system. It ran an analogue control system that calculated fueling requirements via engine speed and intake mainfold air pressure to determine the air mass.

Mechanical fuel injection systems had been around at least the early 20's on diesel engines with the Bosch developing those system and debuting the commercial mechanical FI system in '55 on the 300SL. And of course aftermarket guys like Hillborn made Mechanical FI systems in the 60's. :tu:


Taken from their site..

"The Bosch fuel injection
In 1952, the Gutbrod Company introduced a modern small car to the market, the “Superior 600” which was the first one in Europe equipped with a standard fuel injection manufactured by Bosch. Already two years later this fuel injection system was introduced for larger engines, first for the Mercedes Benz 300SL. In 1967, Bosch introduced the first electronic fuel injection system world-wide to the press."

a1samurai - August 29th, 2006 at 09:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mick H

Taken from their site..
In 1967, Bosch introduced the first electronic fuel injection system world-wide to the press."


So I should believe everything a company says? :P

But it is accepted the Bosch was the first system that gained popular acceptance amongst the manufacturers (and worked) The system is, as far as I am aware, based on the Bendix system and they bought the patents that Bendix had as well.

MickH - August 29th, 2006 at 09:24 PM

The quote was to correct the statement that the first commercial MECHANICAL Bosch injection was in 1955 on the 300SL. 2 years earlier mechanical injection was available on the Superior 600. It is true that Bosch had the first true ELECTRONIC Fuel Injection that was acceptable to the industry on a commercial scale, although the Bendix sytem WAS available in the US of A in 1957 as an option on some Chrysler V8 guzzler from memory????.The best part is the Bosch unit was stuck into a VW..now that is class !!!! Mechanical and Electronic are only in uppercase to highlight two completly different systems.
NEVER believe everything a company says...especially if the company mines asbestos:td:

Edited 'cause i carnt spel

[ Edited on 29-8-06 by Mick H ]

CAFFINEPUSHERMAN - August 30th, 2006 at 01:02 AM

i had a 67 merc with that set up i think had lots of problems with that car turned me off mercs forever

amazeer - August 30th, 2006 at 09:38 AM

Story is wrong, EFI models are TLE. Picture seems to be TLE though.

Did Australia get early model EFI ones? I've only seen late model.

bus914 - August 30th, 2006 at 03:44 PM

Australia didn’t get early EFI type 3s, the Yanks did, but there they were never called TLE. Only Europe had early TLEs.