Does anyone else get aggressive when reading some twit writing AGAIN that "these are getting rare" when talking about Kombi's on Ebay??? I mean, there's usually never less than about 6 on Ebay at a time..! Do people think that this is going to spurn people into a buying frenzy?

Mitsubishi Colts are getting rare! A Daewoo Espero is rare.

old kombi drivers are getting rare well the ones with sight are

i saw a Honda Zot on the road the other day

Dunno about rare - just uber cool!

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Originally posted by vwombat Does anyone else get aggressive when reading some twit writing AGAIN that "these are getting rare" when talking about Kombi's on Ebay??? I mean, there's usually never less than about 6 on Ebay at a time..! Do people think that this is going to spurn people into a buying frenzy?

Its all relative. compared to X, Z is rare.

I dont think Esperos are rare at all. They are everywhere. Not like the trusty colt... which I learnt to drive in.


I'm wishing ovals were heaps rare, but you could find oval parts at any garage sale.

I am wishing BF falcons were rare... even extinct in my garage, the friggin bonnet release came of in my hand tonight!

Colonel mustard I agree wholehearedly!Perhaps a few Kia's,Daewoos and the list goes on,a few years agoI would have included morris Marina's and p76's but time has cured those.

Try and buy a Subaru SVX!

Not the Aussie MORRIS Marina.... lol

Morris 1500 Front Wheel Drive

Morris 1500S " " "

even the morris 1100....

and the AUSTIN 1800... saw a couple last week...
about 100kms apart.... lol

and the Rare Leyland P76.... and the Force 7 Leyland..

Pommy cars don't seem to last in Australia...
I don't think it was a rust problem either??

Ford Cortinas - and the Chrysler CENTURA...

what about the Nissan/Ford cars made in Australia
made in the 80s..??
No parts are available for these twins....

LEE


PS: I didn't really like any of those cars... lol

I have a friend who loves "the P". They just had really bad build quality. Once you pull them apart and put them back together properly they are great. so he says.

there are so many cars i hate... i probably shouldnt get started.

a mate of mine has a morris 1100, its a pretty cool car, hydrolastic syspension, and i know a girl who has a mitsubishi colt that you could call immaculate its amazing the interior is perfect, wonder if its worth anything now that they are getting rare

Thanks for reminding me Lee, the chrysler centura. What a car!,I still have a new set of hydraulic lifters somewhere for one of theses s##that I got stuck with with.If anyone is interested give me a call and I'll see if I can find them.

Ah the Chrysler Centura - it was actually a French Simca, with parts imported from France including the 1.8 and 2.0-litre engines. Chrysler bolted them together in Adelaide, and shoehorned the 4.0-litre '245' hemi six into it. Result - diabolical handling. The quality control was short on both quality, and control. It was cumbersome, thirsty, choppy, slow and had a plethora of assembly faults. Assembly lasted only 30 months before it was axed.

This info comes from the book 'Lemon!', written by Australian motoring journalist Tony Davis. Well worth finding. It lists several dozen cars that are awful for any number of reasons - such as a bad idea done ordinarily (Volvo 760), an ordinary idea done badly (Triumph Stag), a good car badly built (Alfasud), a bad car built well (Lagonda), or any other combination in between.

Some of the 'memorable' lemons include the Lightburn Zeta, De Lorean, HDT Director, Leyland P76, Nissan Pulsar EXA, Morris Marina, Ford Capri (soft top), Nissan Pintara, Lada Samara, Triumph TR7, Valiant VH Hardtop, FSM Niki, NSU Ro80, Datsun 120Y, Subaru Vortex, Mazda Roadpacer, Austin Allegro, Honda S600 and Datsun 200B. It also mentions some interesting Japanese cars like the Daihatsu Naked, and the Subaru Touring Bruce.

Hmm, they are ALL rare.

Phil, is there anything in the past that you don't know about?

My favourite primary school teacher, Mr Grant (6th class 1975), always said that if you didn't know something when asked, you should reply "I dunno - but I'll find out." I guess I'm still finding out (I had to look up that stuff about the Centura...)

Another saturday night at home in front of the computer (at least there is a beer beside me)

To quote from Tony Davis' book:

1. De Lorean: "The build quality was woeful. The design was tail-heavy, noisy, expensive and slow. Visibility was poor, the gullwing doors were a disaster and the stainless steel bodywork found few friends. Sales were calamitous. Within a year the De Lorean Motor Company was in the hands of a receiver."

2. NSU Ro80: "The car's revolutionary powerplant was its failure. The Ro80 was a great meal brought to the table too quickly. If it had been fitted with a conventional engine, or launched a couple of years later with a better version of the same engine, it would have been an enduring success. At least Mazda was to prove that the Wankel could be made reliable, if not cheap to produce or fuel efficient."

3. Mazda Roadpacer: "The Roadpacer was a sales disaster. The Wankel engine drank like a salaryman at the end of a long week. The Roadpacer was too wide, causing problems on narrow Japanese streets. It attracted a 'wide car tax'. The suspension was softened so it bottomed out on anything approaching a rough road. The body shape gave Mazda no advantages in weight distribution and few in packaging. The Roadpacer's weight was a hefty 1575kg and the high-revving 13B produced 98 kW. Mazda went to great lengths to produce a car that no quicker than a standard six-cylinder Holden Premier, yet used a great deal more fuel in exchange for little more than additional smoothness. In any case, the car was killed off a few months before Ford completed its purchase of 25% of Mazda's shares."

but...

De Loreans are still being made now, Even if it is just because of the cool factor.

NSURo80 was the only reason rotarys ever got out there, without it there would be no hardcore rotarys... If there was no RX3's, there would be alot more beetles, and alot less people with serious idea's of how to get amazing power down onto the track. Think of motoring history without rotarys.... I cant imagine it. The RX7 was and is an amazing car.

Roadpacer.... as above. totally pointless, however, 10 points for cool.

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Originally posted by trickysimon Phil, is there anything in the past that you don't know about?

De Lorean Motors went into receivership in 1982 and no originals have been made since then. The 'new' ones, made in Texas by a new company, are replicas with many design changes; only 20% of the parts are original. Not the same thing.

Sure the Ro80 was a landmark car (although it was the NSU Spider that was the FIRST Wankel car) and I love them. But they were lemons because they were put on sale before the engine was properly developed; as described, they were excellent otherwise (the 1982 Audi 100 was a tribute to the Ro80 in many ways). The Wankel development sent NSU bankrupt. VW bought them and stopped major inventment in Wankel engines (the last Ro80 was made in 1976). Mazda also came close to bankruptcy a few times, but they survived. Conventional engines are Mazda's mainstay today. BTW, they are Wankel engines, not 'rotary' engines (an inaccurate nickname). ALL engines are 'rotary' engines.

10 points out of 100!

fine. Its still a part of motor history. It was only set so far behind because the Germans put Felix wankel in jail.

I cant say I agree on it being an inaccurate nickname... The pistons dont rotate in a flat four...

I agree with you about Mazda today, I would say that FE's (rx8's) are only 2-3% of the company's sales..... max. (having worked there until recently, I kinda know whats going on..)

If there's a car that's really hard on my eyes it's the Subaru Vortex. God dam they are the ugliest car ever!!