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$9200 for T1 engine case and you dont even get the case ????
Camo - June 2nd, 2009 at 09:47 AM

Check out this on ebay. If I am reading correctly, you pay $9200 for some plans to build an engine case. With that kind of money, you should be able to build one nice 'complete' engine.

To quote a red head, 'Please Explain'.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DRAWINGS-3D-MODEL-Type-1-VW-Super-Case-RARE_W0QQitemZ300319324865QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories? hash=item45ec6d3ac1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A3|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A100

h - June 2nd, 2009 at 09:52 AM

wtf :crazy:

vwsteve - June 2nd, 2009 at 09:54 AM

bargain!:dork:

whatnow - June 2nd, 2009 at 10:38 AM

isn't that kind of illegal?

bajachris88 - June 2nd, 2009 at 11:11 AM

hmm... well, it would be a 'business' prospect.

By having such a model, you can obtain teh machinery to computer generate a real life model. Dunk it in a ceramic and eventually in the process of things, produce a mould, form a cast.. and presto! cheap way... but need some expensive foundary equipment.

polak - June 2nd, 2009 at 12:17 PM

hahaha now iv seen ppl trying flog off rediculous things but this has got to take the cake!!! whats to stop you just making a mould of a case that already exists? or better yet copying an autocraft case or something... if this sells im going to laugh my head off. there are some very interesting ppl out there.... u gotta give em credit for trying though .............................................................

glencsiro - June 2nd, 2009 at 07:38 PM

If you had the gear, CNC milling machine and the knowledge you could manufacture high performance cases and flog them off for a good price and recoup your cost in no time.
And whether or not it's illegal, VW beetle designs may have gone past the useby date of patents so hard to say.

karmannghia60 - June 3rd, 2009 at 09:36 AM

agree with Glen, for the amount of work involved, its cheap. If someone has the right software and right equipment, they can even do their R&D on further progressing the T1 case and reproducing brand new improved cases. They only need to sell 15 cases at $600 each to recoup their money. Not a bad ROI
Raf

Camo - June 3rd, 2009 at 09:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by karmannghia60
agree with Glen, for the amount of work involved, its cheap. If someone has the right software and right equipment, they can even do their R&D on further progressing the T1 case and reproducing brand new improved cases. They only need to sell 15 cases at $600 each to recoup their money. Not a bad ROI
Raf


I guess when you look at it that way, Raf it would work out feasible. But I was thinking of the bloke that has no equipment at all and having to pay someone to make a (being 1) case for you. Then its bloody expensive.

Also I wonder what makes this a 'Super Case' as they state.

Kev

Phil74Camper - June 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Surely if you were going to this much trouble, you wouldn't just reproduce a standard VW 1600 case, which is still pretty easy to locate and has a number of limitations. Surely you would make improvements.

Why not do this CAD thing for a VW CT-engine (1979-82)? This was the 1600cc engine fitted to T3 Transporters in Europe. Unlike the Type 4-based 2000cc engine that we are familiar with, the CT was based on a Type 1 engine. It had hydraulic valves, and a built-in oil filter mount in the left case half. But it apparently had some oil supply limitations, one reason why production ended after only 3 years. But if you combined the hydraulic valves and oil filter designs with a normal 1600 case, you would have the start of a 'super' 1600 case.

http://www.type2.com/library/engineg/boxeng.htm 

Or even better - what about drawing up an aircooled version of the 2.1-litre Wasserboxer case, the way it has been modified by Unwin and Shimo before?

volumex - June 6th, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Half the price if you look at TheSamba
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=797287 

I wonder if they accounted for the part temperature when scanning.

amazeer - June 7th, 2009 at 02:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Phil74Camper
Surely if you were going to this much trouble, you wouldn't just reproduce a standard VW 1600 case, which is still pretty easy to locate and has a number of limitations. Surely you would make improvements.

Why not do this CAD thing for a VW CT-engine (1979-82)? This was the 1600cc engine fitted to T3 Transporters in Europe. Unlike the Type 4-based 2000cc engine that we are familiar with, the CT was based on a Type 1 engine. It had hydraulic valves, and a built-in oil filter mount in the left case half. But it apparently had some oil supply limitations, one reason why production ended after only 3 years. But if you combined the hydraulic valves and oil filter designs with a normal 1600 case, you would have the start of a 'super' 1600 case.

http://www.type2.com/library/engineg/boxeng.htm 

Or even better - what about drawing up an aircooled version of the 2.1-litre Wasserboxer case, the way it has been modified by Unwin and Shimo before?


from memory all you do is whack it into a mill and cut the jackets off. The headstuds had to be drilled out and have what was like an offset case saver put in as the spacing was different. You get deeper sump. wider mating flanges, stronger bearings and lifter bores, heaps stronger case all round. 2.


http://www.clubvw.org.au/oxy.htm 

amazeer - June 7th, 2009 at 02:11 AM

one more

polak - June 7th, 2009 at 09:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by volumex
Half the price if you look at TheSamba
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=797287 

I wonder if they accounted for the part temperature when scanning.


those look like that exact same pics as on the 9200 ebay one, either these guys are the same ppl, or some idiot bought it off samba and is now trying to make a profit