ok so i went to do my blueslip today on my imported ghia, this is the 1st time that it is being registered in australia.

all went well, apart from 3 things.

misaligned left headlight. (easy enough fix)
no rear reflectors (easy fix)
missing rear seatbelts.. (not missing i told the guy.. there never were any)

he sais cars built after 1 jan 1971 need to have adr aproved rear seat belts.

ok so now i need an engineer and someone to fit, weld drill, new rear belts. after the fact that the interior is finished

Damn. anyone have any recomendations in sw sydney for this kind of work,

You might be between a rock and a hard place as the fitment of seat belt after that date is manditory, if you are going to use the back seat you willl have to fit them, I fitted harnesses to my ghia and it is now a two seater, I just cannot carry passengers in the rear which is no concern to me, to fit them i think you might be able to get away with lap belts, very easy to fit as these would only require four holes to be drilled under the back seat and the belt bolted in using the correct size renforcement Plates. PS, you could have had the ones i took out as they were in as new condition but they hit the bin.

He is right about the seatbelts. You dont have to have an engineer to fit the seatbelts, you do need new belts, and use the mounting plates that are supplied when you buy a seatbelt kit. There is not necessarily any welding required. You will only have to put lap belts. We do this every day at my work on old English cars. Rear reflectors and rear seatbelts are always done. No welding required for the rear seatbelts using the seat belt kits.

I am in Vic, cannot do it for you.

An engineer is required if you change the number of seating positions. For example you have a VW Van, and it was only originally registered on the compliance plate with 2 seats. Then you want to put seats in the back.

I had an arguement with a bloke that worked for the RTA.As I have a microbus that is a nine seater.He tolled me that I needed an engineers certificate to add or remove any seat from your car even if it was tempory arrangement. That they didn,t go by the appliance plate,But by law I am ment to have it on the car.It sometimes depends on who you get when you ask.

As far as I can remember, the VIN sticker on our 72 actually says it is a 2 seater, even though it has the rear seat. Just get them to register it that way unless you want it to be 4 seats.

Yogie

normally a imported car needs a engineer's report. for Oz rego.
or had it already been rego in australia before.???

Never heard of that one Ian. I know a few people who have imported cars and bikes. They havent needed engineers reports unless they were modified( rhd converson or performance)

yes, that's what the Rta told me.
Apart of the check there is a .
design check, with a engineer's report or without.
I just take the back seat out as I wouldnt want any one in the back not to be wearing a seat belt if I was., as it looks like there is a few mods on this car already, the Rta also may send the car in for further inspection after the blue slip.As they do random checks.
and yeah try vintage Vw

I have two cars that are registed as two seaters as i have fitted harnesses to them, this was conditional for the fittment of the harnesses, this was a approved engineering change to the vehicle and the car's both carry a blue plate for that mod. i have spoken to my engineer over the years about the fittment of my belts and he has stated to me that a seat belt mount is a structual point and needs to be engineered and in Queensland accompanied by the manditory blue plate.

Hi

Wouldn't the Ghia already have the mounting points under the trim in the rear?

Classic should sell some lap belts, just bolt em in for the RWC and then remove if u want. there should be bolt holes for the belts

no the karmann ghia never had rear seatbelts at all.

am now being told i need a engineers certificate, only found this out from the engineer himself.

calling the monkeys at the rta has been no help at all as i have called them 3 times and to verify what needs to be done to register an imported car that has never been registered in australia and they kept telling me to get a blue slip, green slip and rego.

it would have been good if any of them actually knows whats going on.

if i have to engineer it, so be it! i dont have a problem with that....

BUT it would have been nice to do that before i paid the grease monkey 132 bucks for him to tell me i have 14 days to get my seatbelts sorted and pass the blueslip or else he was going to have to charge me again. and now i have a dead line to try and get that done and the car engineered.

The mechanic isn't a mind reader. You obliviously booked it in for a blue slip so you got charged for what you wanted.
Not the inspection stations fault that you where miss informed. Maybe you should have made more enquires prior.

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Originally posted by rickp no the karmann ghia never had rear seatbelts at all. am now being told i need a engineers certificate, only found this out from the engineer himself. calling the monkeys at the rta has been no help at all as i have called them 3 times and to verify what needs to be done to register an imported car that has never been registered in australia and they kept telling me to get a blue slip, green slip and rego. it would have been good if any of them actually knows whats going on. if i have to engineer it, so be it! i dont have a problem with that.... BUT it would have been nice to do that before i paid the grease monkey 132 bucks for him to tell me i have 14 days to get my seatbelts sorted and pass the blueslip or else he was going to have to charge me again. and now i have a dead line to try and get that done and the car engineered.

The RTA know about the engineers , they have a list of Rta approved engineers.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/authorisedinspectors/vsccs/vsccs_vehic...

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsccs_bulletin_01.pdf 

That car never came out with 4 wheel disc brakes, so i ask the engineer to have a look at those to.

never said he was a mind reader,i am not blaming the grease monkey for the stuff up. i blame the RTAs monkeys asi did call the RTA numerous times and asked the relevant questions only to be steered in a opposite direction,

if the RTA had told me that i needed an engineers then i would have obviously done that 1st.

i repeatedly told them of the cars history and told them that the car was not registered in australia.

if i cant go by what the RTA tell me then how am i supposed to guess the procedure to register my car???

i dont mind getting the car engineered, in fact i was going to do something about seat belts later on as i want my kid to enjoy the car also. what i dont like is that no one at the rta RMA or whatever thay call themselves these days seems to know whats going on

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Originally posted by rose The mechanic isn't a mind reader. You obliviously booked it in for a blue slip so you got charged for what you wanted. Not the inspection stations fault that you where miss informed. Maybe you should have made more enquires prior. Quote: Originally posted by rickp no the karmann ghia never had rear seatbelts at all. am now being told i need a engineers certificate, only found this out from the engineer himself. calling the monkeys at the rta has been no help at all as i have called them 3 times and to verify what needs to be done to register an imported car that has never been registered in australia and they kept telling me to get a blue slip, green slip and rego. it would have been good if any of them actually knows whats going on. if i have to engineer it, so be it! i dont have a problem with that.... BUT it would have been nice to do that before i paid the grease monkey 132 bucks for him to tell me i have 14 days to get my seatbelts sorted and pass the blueslip or else he was going to have to charge me again. and now i have a dead line to try and get that done and the car engineered.

In Queensland the main roads do interpret the rules, so it is a waiste of time phoning them, it always require a engineer to do that and take the responsabilty for the modifications.

Spot on - here in QLD Main Roads states that even if the vehicle was never Australian delivered it must meet the ADR's of VW's in that year - go figure!

Mine has been a real drama

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Originally posted by rickp never said he was a mind reader,i am not blaming the grease monkey for the stuff up. i blame the RTAs monkeys asi did call the RTA numerous times and asked the relevant questions only to be steered in a opposite direction, if the RTA had told me that i needed an engineers then i would have obviously done that 1st. i repeatedly told them of the cars history and told them that the car was not registered in australia. if i cant go by what the RTA tell me then how am i supposed to guess the procedure to register my car??? i dont mind getting the car engineered, in fact i was going to do something about seat belts later on as i want my kid to enjoy the car also. what i dont like is that no one at the rta RMA or whatever thay call themselves these days seems to know whats going on Quote: Originally posted by rose The mechanic isn't a mind reader. You obliviously booked it in for a blue slip so you got charged for what you wanted. Not the inspection stations fault that you where miss informed. Maybe you should have made more enquires prior. Quote: Originally posted by rickp no the karmann ghia never had rear seatbelts at all. am now being told i need a engineers certificate, only found this out from the engineer himself. calling the monkeys at the rta has been no help at all as i have called them 3 times and to verify what needs to be done to register an imported car that has never been registered in australia and they kept telling me to get a blue slip, green slip and rego. it would have been good if any of them actually knows whats going on. if i have to engineer it, so be it! i dont have a problem with that.... BUT it would have been nice to do that before i paid the grease monkey 132 bucks for him to tell me i have 14 days to get my seatbelts sorted and pass the blueslip or else he was going to have to charge me again. and now i have a dead line to try and get that done and the car engineered.

The RTA would have assumed (like me) that the Ghia had belts. Did you ask the RTA if it needed belts before you went for a blue slip?

Aren't the holes already there for the belts?
Have you looked?

Ok the belts have nothing to do with the engineers certificate. Sure they Need engineer certification., however even of it did not need seatbelts and had passed the blue slip straight off the bat, I would still need a engineers report/cert in order to register the car. I did not know that, the Rta did not tell me that and I only found out when I was talking to the engineer about the seatbelts.

So the order should have been

1. Engineer report/ cert
2. Blue slip
3,green slip
4. Registration

The Rta neglected to mention the engineer each and everytime I talked to them, however it needs to be done and it is stipulated in the vsi4. Now how is one to know this if the Rta can't point you I'm the right direction?

Anyway lesson learnt, found a engineer that is going to go through the car once I get the seatbelts sorted out ( wich may take a while)