im tossing up on rebuilding my 1.8ltr kombi motor or converting an wasserboxer to air what are the advantages and disadvantages between the 2 rebuilds
it will be street driven every day in my beach buggy i like the look of mickh's ej22 conversion but would like to stay aircooled because of radiator
placement and panel cutting i dont know wether to go down that road any input would be great
cheers
stevo
stick with the type 4 or suby.
wasserboxer still retains the type 1 bottom end as far as I understand and said to be not as bullet proof as the type 4 or suby engine in the bottom
end department. and a lot of work involved to make a oxyboxer from a not as good foundation so it doesn't make any sense to do it.
wasser bottom ends are awesome! prob the best flat four vw ever produced. there are a few BIG hp turbo wassers getting around. do some reading on shoptalk.
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My experience recently is EJ22. The whole conversion cost under $2000 including donor car. I done all the conversion myself excluding the wiring loom
cutdown. (AM auto Noosa)
So for ME this combo is great in a baja as I can hide my radiator up front behind nose. Im very happy with the power, economy and smoothness of it and
availability for engines if need be.
I have never heard ANYONE say "I regret this and want to go back to type 1 or 4 vw donk. I think you should do the sums and also test drive a EJ22
powered buggy if possible. I'm not discouraging Type 4 powered buggy but the subi option was best for myself.
An oxyboxer conversion isn't the hardest thing in the world, but unless your a backyard machinist I would steer clear. I tried years ago, the studs
were seized and snapped in the case and were a nightmare to get out and the 76mm crank was bent and cracked. This was before I could just buy a
preclearanced CB aluminium case, which is the way I would go now. The German wasserboxer case may be better material but not sure if it's worth all
the effort.
Subi's may not be perfect but make a lot of sense I think.
Only plus I can see in a subi is it's cheap other than that they have don't have a lot going for them.As an example what can you fix on the side of the road/ track?
If that was a valid argument we would all still be riding horses. The whole point is they shouldn't need fixing on the side of the road or track!!
It's always funny the Subaru haters always say how easy their VW's are to fix on the side of the road, but the subaru's aren't breaking down to need to worry about it....
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I wonder if datsun forums have these little fights between "purists" and guys who stick SR20's in 
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It's no different to Hotrods..... Cool looking car with modern running gear, you don't hear those guys saying stick to ya old side valve engine so you won't get stuck on the side of the road
"Ok your out offroading in your Subaru and any of the following happen what are you going to do?"
Ask this guy, he might know...
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Subie is super reliable with instant cheap power but if you wanna stay aircooled then read up on the wasser conversion.
Very strong case/crank and if you can do most the work yourself should be cheaper than a t4 engine rebuild.
There used to be a whole blog/site of a guy who did the entire conversion himself. Ended up with a torquey, reliable engine.
If you want water, you could stick in a wasser. All VW, no conversions required. Baja exhaust bolts on with minimal modifiaction and I've seen more
hp/lb of boost with the VW watercooled flat four AND no extra weight out the back with the heavier ohc components.
Don't get me wrong, there is a lot going for Suby, but as Col said, many people don't get to see what a good reliable hipo VW can go like. A well
built air-cooled installation will do many hundreds of thousands of kilometers, although with some more maintenance required with tappet adjustments.
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Or you could do this. A wasser converted to upright with a radiator in the fan shroud.
Dam daimo that is a sweet looking engine!
The biggest problem for me is the radiator. But I don't have a problem with is setup.
I have plans for a 2l type 4 using hydraulic tappets and fuel injection and electronic ignition. Other than changing the oil, I just plan to drive
it.
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Appreciate the humor but those etc cars have no bearing on what is being discussed here?so like I said what are you gonna do when those things go wrong? |
had both aircooled and subi powered baja's and both had plus points,
aircooled, simple easy but lacking power unless u spend a fair bit but they just keep going if looked after and if they do stuff up when out its
normally a easy fix
subi, cheap power and reliability but many more "gizmos" to stuff up and u need computers to tune (im not a mechanic so every time i wanted it tune
it had to goto a garage as i had no frigging idea even after i fitted a aftermarket microtech lt10 with hand controller)
neither let me down when offroading and the subi was a better set up and had power to waste but the aircooled did it all just not as quick, just ask
smiley he managed to go everwhere i did with a standard 1600 while i had turbo power, i just did it quicker :P
if i was to build another baja i would go a worked aircooled engine purely for the ease of maintenance , im building a kombi right now and that will
be subi for ease of highway cruzing and i want a/c
go with what ever u like the idea the best, so many arguments for and against for both engines it all comes down to personal choice and what ur happy
with..
steff............
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thank you so much for your input guys loads of pluses and negatives ive been awaiting the rebirth of mickh's buggy on the road so i can experience it with a ej22 i have the wasser boxer here but ill have to send the block out to get the modifications done some where the motor was running when it was givin to me and when striped found it was rebuilt no so long ago just awaiting my mate back from the mines to give me some help with tuning my su suck through turbo setup on my aircooled and we can go from there
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