Hi Guys

I have spent a bit of time Googling and hunting around forums looking for a turnkey EFI System for a Type 1 engine and have found CB Performance ( http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=7070 ).

Are there any others and are they any good??

Regards
Greg

i read some where that a guy was having troubleturning a kit like that or simillar ccb.
just buy a pair of webber off of rod ,

The CB performance set is very good, a friend of mine runs one, he started out as just fuel injected and then put a turbo on it, he has had good support from CB performance and it runs great, i will probably be purchasing one shortly for my next project, this also will be blow through turbo.

Thanks guys

Ian, I'm seeing Rod sometime over the weekend and will have a chat. I'm trying to do as much homework and data gathering as possible.

Regards
Greg

You could also talk to Mario Veletta at The Dub Shop over in the us, he sells Megasquirt based systems, just Google The Dub Shop.

Mario is very easy to deal with.

Hi Doug,

I discovered Megasquirt during my Googling...

Thanks
Regards
Greg

I had megasquirt on my last car and would happily do that again, but I wouldn't get my gear off mario at dubshop, if only for the fact that he's too far away to help much.


Tuning EFI is complicated and time consuming to do well, finding a tuner who knows what they are doing is the hard part, most of the various brands are ok. Just make sure your fuel system is adequate for your application as well. Rod has a very good tuner he can put you in touch with.

Thanks mate!

Hi Greg,

CBB in Penrith sell/install the Redline fuel injection kit.
cbbvw.com/

Bryce

you get online support with CB performance

i would keep what you have or buy some webbers and spend the $2000 on petrol .

For true "bolt on", you won't get any better than the CB performance setup.

Thank guys!

Owen - is there a megasquirt supplier in Australia ?

Not that I'm aware of. I bought the kit for the computer from diyautotune.com and the rest of the bits and pieces from mario @ dubshop. At the time I thought it was easier to get all the odds and ends in one hit from mario rather than try and scrape everything together.
Also I wouldn't bother soldering a megasquirt together out of a kit again. It worked fine and I had time to kill on nightshift back then but the prebuilt ones with all surface mount components are a smarter option for not much more money.
Also recommend http://www.wbo2.com  guys in canberra for wideband o2 sensor gear. very helpful, knowledgable and local. Innovate were hopeless when I had issues, which turned out to be ignition interference.

Will the CB system work without a dissy?
Greg has the trigger / crank set up?

yes, it is designed to just that.
Features

•· Scalable 21x21 RPM and Load Fuel and timing Maps

•· Batch or Sequential fire fuel and spark

•· Fuel and Spark tuning by user selectable Alpha-N or Speed Density configurations

•· Closed Loop capability with or without Learning

•· Adjustable closed Loop and Learning limits

•· Programmable closed loop sample rate

•· Idle Air control capability

•· Ignition input via, Compufire/Pertronix Module, Magnetic Trigger (MagnaSpark II or MSD), Crank trigger (#2092 Kit)

•· Interactive Air fuel mixture fuel map tuning

•· Adjustable ignition dwell

•· User Programmable HI RPM and 2-Step Rev limiters

•· External Data Log trigger

•· 4 Internal 2-wire coil and injector drivers (Optional Adapter needed for smart coil use)

•· Internal 2.5 Bar Manifold Air Pressure sensor

•· Internal Wideband O2 sensor controller (Uses affordable Bosch O2 Sensors)

•· Real time ECU data through included software

•· Injector Max duty cycle protection

•· Works with High and Low Impedance injectors

•· Dedicated wiring harness

•· Software and Communication Cable included.

Hi

If these system work as advertised they are bargain.

The hardware is worth the asking price alone.

The only thing that I don't like is the non fuel return to the tank, I would fit a surge tank and lift pump. i guess that they sell it this way so that its a bolt on package

Steve

Hi Guys

I've decided to "renovate" the existing EFI setup and get it going on the new engine.

I'll get the injectors serviced and flowed and totally clean all of the crud from the inside of the plenum and manifolds. and check the wiring harness etc.

As I am getting the new Vintage Speed exhaust ceramic coated silver, I am thinking of getting the plenum and manifolds ceramic coated as well primarily to try to reduce the air temps within them...is this considered a good idea?

Regards
Greg

can you give us some info on the efi set up you have at the moment

Hi Greg,

My two cents from experience.

CB Injection - tick! Easy to install and everything just bolts together The only problem I've had is that the injectors weren't big enough (could've been my fault and I ordered too small). The ones I got supplied were 36lb and I've now been to Rocket Industries (with my bank manager!) and have 83lb injectors which work a treat.

Megasquirt - Great! Does everything you need it too, is well supported on the web and is cost effective. I wasn't as brave as Owen and so I bought it pre-assembled, which just required bolting in and connecting the wires. Even for a non-electrical guy like me it was pretty easy.

My only advice is if you are going to get rid of the dizzy and go for something else, STAY AWAY FROM EDIS! It is simple, plug in and solid as a rock, but it won't rev over 6250rpm! If someone can prove me wrong on this, please do because I cannot get it to rev over this and research on various forums tells me this is common I would get the megasquirt made for me with the correct motherboard to let it drive the coils, not an EDIS system. If you're never going over 6250rpm, EDIS is fabulous. Cheap, reliable and robust, but she just don't rev!

Anyway, good luck with going EFI, best thing I ever did.

My two cents,
Marc.

Thanks Mark,

When you say "EDIS" what do you mean?

Also, how do you determine the correct "size" of the injectors?

Regards
Greg

Hi Steve

I just had a read of the installation instructions for the CB EFI system and it talks about how to run the "fuel return to tank" setup. Here's the link: http://www.cbperformance.com/searchresults.asp?cat=159 

Regards
Greg

Hi Greg,

EDIS is a Ford product Electronic Distributorless Ignition System. It was on European and US Fords mainly in the 1990's I think. Their versions of Escorts and so on.

You can pick them up on eBay pretty cheap. Great robust set up but they just don't rev enough for me. Looks like I"m going to have to get my Megasquirt reconfigured to drive the coils directly...

Working out injectors is pretty easy, you use a formula. Just Google it and you'll find a few calculators. You need to know what horsepower you're trying to get, how many injecvtors you have, whether it's boosted or not and the type of fuel you're running. Plug the numbers in and it'll tell you what size is required. Mine came out at about 75lbs needed so I just went up to the next size (83lbs) so that it wouldn't be maxing out the duty cycle.

Hope this helps.

Cheers.

Oh, and the fuel return is pretty easy, you just need to run a line back to the tank from the pressure regulator.

I put mine into the top of the tank. Couple of fitting bits from Rocket Industries and I put it near the filler hole so that I could get my fingers inside to hold the inside part of the fitting!!

Cheers.

I'll PM you some info greg.

hmmm, I have a look at how the fuel return is setup in my car...

Regards
Greg

Unless your circuit racing the t is adequate. Not perfect but it works.

Thanks mate