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Heaters without hose outlets on the fan-shroud?
pete wood - May 24th, 2013 at 03:55 PM

My 56 had a judson equipped 40 without heater hose outlets. It's also missing the heater boxes on the exhaust. Is there a way of getting the heater to work without the fanshroud outlets?

Or do I need heater boxes AND a new fanshroud?

Failing all that, is anyone using a electric fan heater in their bug? I don't want to chop up the car, but if there is a simple way to put one in, I'd consider that.


OZ Towdster - May 24th, 2013 at 05:48 PM

Harden up Pete , the wind up windows and steel roof have got to be a hole lot warmer than the Buggy ever was .


pete wood - May 24th, 2013 at 06:30 PM

The buggy had a very good heater actually. It gets down near 0deg where i live. Any tips on stock heaters then?


sander288 - May 24th, 2013 at 06:55 PM

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-111-255-102-B 

don't know how good they actually are but these would be the ticket for stock heaters


pete wood - May 24th, 2013 at 08:09 PM

Ta mate. Wish they were a little cheaper... :fakesniff:


68AutoBug - May 24th, 2013 at 09:22 PM

Hi Pete
I believe the simplest way is to use standard heater boxes..
the original early German ones had large heatsinks in them that give off plenty of heat'''
it gets below zero here at times in winter but the heater always works..
I couldn't live without the heater in My beetle..

the early beetles disn't have the hoses from the shroud, they stopped the heat from escaping below the push rod tubes and forced it into the car...

the later system just used fresh air to push the heat thru the heater boxes into the cabin..

You could possibly use ambulance fans [round fans fitted to late Kombis] to suck air from below the push rod tubes to inside the cabin..

cheers

Lee




Quote:
Originally posted by pete wood
My 56 had a judson equipped 40 without heater hose outlets. It's also missing the heater boxes on the exhaust. Is there a way of getting the heater to work without the fanshroud outlets?

Or do I need heater boxes AND a new fanshroud?

Failing all that, is anyone using a electric fan heater in their bug? I don't want to chop up the car, but if there is a simple way to put one in, I'd consider that.


Gracey - May 25th, 2013 at 09:25 AM

What I did years ago when I had heater boxes on the car but a 36hp fanshroud with no outlets was run some flexible pipe from the heater box inlet to under the cylinders near the pushrod tubes. Worked quite well.

I don't think electric heaters will do it, however you never know.


pete wood - May 25th, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Mmm, thanks. Will look into that.


68AutoBug - May 25th, 2013 at 06:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gracey
What I did years ago when I had heater boxes on the car but a 36hp fanshroud with no outlets was run some flexible pipe from the heater box inlet to under the cylinders near the pushrod tubes. Worked quite well.

I don't think electric heaters will do it, however you never know.


where did the air pressure come from to get air to the front etc?

electric fan??

Lee


bajachris88 - May 25th, 2013 at 06:34 PM

There are petrol heaters, but are exy/collectable.


bajachris88 - May 25th, 2013 at 06:35 PM

El cheapo car seat warmers from china, 12V and $7.90 :)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-Universal-Heated-Car-Seat-Cushion-Cover-Seat-H...

will suit half backs too.


bajachris88 - May 25th, 2013 at 06:36 PM

dunno how good these work (electric 12v heater)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-DC-Universal-Car-Auto-Electric-Portable-Space-...

Maybe aim it at your feet under the dash. Again cheap though.


vwo60 - May 25th, 2013 at 09:42 PM

get twenty


Gracey - May 26th, 2013 at 01:31 PM

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where did the air pressure come from to get air to the front etc?

Lee


From the fanshroud aka the fan. It worked really well, I got the idea from an old VW guy who was into buggies, he told me that's how they did it, I didn't think it'd work until I tried it.
The tube for the heater went straight into the airstream of the hot air coming off the cylinders, so between the pushrod tubes and the sled tinware.


Bizarre - May 26th, 2013 at 04:51 PM

"40W/H under HI Condition"

Oooooh..... that will make you sweat! :no:


68AutoBug - May 26th, 2013 at 04:57 PM

Hi Chris
didn't actually look at these, but have never ever seen an electric heater capable of actually heating the interior like a normal VW heater.. in cold weather..

You would need a very large engine with an even larger alternator to supply enough current to all the electric heaters... lol

although many years ago, while restoring My beetle in the winter in a carport [temp about 4=6C]
I put My wifes hair dryer into the heater duct under the body and it did a great job... but about 2400 watts at 240 volts..
so a 240v hair dryer and an inverter for 3000 watts would help... maybe two of them when driving.. lol

LEE




Quote:
Originally posted by bajachris88
dunno how good these work (electric 12v heater)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-DC-Universal-Car-Auto-Electric-Portable-Space-...

Maybe aim it at your feet under the dash. Again cheap though.


68AutoBug - May 26th, 2013 at 05:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gracey
What I did years ago when I had heater boxes on the car but a 36hp fanshroud with no outlets was run some flexible pipe from the heater box inlet to under the cylinders near the pushrod tubes. Worked quite well.

I don't think electric heaters will do it, however you never know.


You said You used the fan ??
but didn;t have heater outlets... on the shroud??
for air pressure...

LEE

PS> gets to 0C or below here at night & early mornings in winter.. so the heater needs to be good..
My car has no thermostat either.. lol


Gracey - May 26th, 2013 at 07:04 PM

Yeah thats right Lee, I mean the fan pushing the air over the cylinders and then into the tube. There's a lot of airflow coming out from the sleds and it's preheated going into the heater box so it probably doesn't need as much flow.


nils - May 27th, 2013 at 05:55 AM

I've run my oil cooler on the inside before, guess you don't have a full flow oil system then pete?

Always wondered if i could run a hotrod style heater in my oil system


modnrod - May 27th, 2013 at 09:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 68AutoBug
Hi Chris
didn't actually look at these, but have never ever seen an electric heater capable of actually heating the interior like a normal VW heater.. in cold weather..


Quite a few small Japanese Kei cars use electric heaters, my favourite for size, availability, etc, is out of the Mazda 121 (bubble) from the '90s.

They work well in Japan, although it only gets to 20 below up there......


pete wood - May 28th, 2013 at 08:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by nils
I've run my oil cooler on the inside before, guess you don't have a full flow oil system then pete?

Always wondered if i could run a hotrod style heater in my oil system


No mate. Well not with this motor anyhow. Would like to in the future though.