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Tacho jumpy at idle unless multimeter connected?!?
shokwave2 - August 18th, 2013 at 06:25 PM

Just installed a VDO tachometer today and hooked up a multimeter to check the accuracy. It was spot on reading 850 at idle and when reved. But when i removed the multimeter the tacho showed higher and jumping around at idle, anywhere from 1100-1500. What would be causing this? All i did was attach the multimeter to - side of the coil and to a ground, and the tach works fine. Is this a grounding issue somewhere, with either the coil or tacho?


helbus - August 18th, 2013 at 06:36 PM

Is it points or electronic ignition?

Is it generator or alternator?


shokwave2 - August 18th, 2013 at 06:38 PM

12V, points, alternator. Tacho connected to coil, not alternator.


barls - August 18th, 2013 at 07:26 PM

did you fit the diode they ask you to for points.


shokwave2 - August 18th, 2013 at 07:30 PM

No not yet, i just read about in the last half hour. Will have to buy one tomorrow. Cheers.


barls - August 18th, 2013 at 07:48 PM

mine came with it. it was a male and female fitting each end and about an inch in length


shokwave2 - August 18th, 2013 at 07:58 PM

Don't think mine came with a diode. I'll check the workbench where i threw the packaging.


barls - August 18th, 2013 at 08:36 PM

have a look in the spares bag that came with it. ie the globe covers.


shokwave2 - August 18th, 2013 at 08:54 PM

Nothing in there but the globe. I'll drop into Jaycar and pick up a diode or two.


oldskoolguy - March 5th, 2014 at 07:15 PM

Just adding my 2 cents worth to this. The tacho in my Beetle was jumpy, fitted 1/2 watt 10k resistor close to tacho, still jumped occasionally. Fitted diode N14004, still jumped. Checked to see that wire was clear of leads etc. , still jumpy.
Fitted resistor at coil end, tacho still jumpy and radio interference now!
Finally decided to fit 1/2 watt 100k resistor at tacho end and it seemed to fix it, and no radio interference.
I think it might be that different quality tachos react different to the noisy standard ignition system, my tacho is a $30 Ebuy special, which for the most part I'm happy with now.
Rob.


modnrod - March 6th, 2014 at 10:14 AM

I've got a cheapy SAAS tacho on my bike (*sigh* don't ask, it was in the shed when I needed a tach one day............) that also jumps around everywhere.
Bloody irritating isn't it? :lol:

A simple low-pass RC filter will usually stop it in it's tracks (HAHAHA! Small geek electronic humour there).
Like this one....

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/MODNROD/LowPassRCTachoFilter_zps9899453f.jpg

Nice little calculator pinched here, type in the Frequency in Hertz (4cyl-6000rpm = 3000Hz F).........
http://sim.okawa-denshi.jp/en/CRtool.php 


psimitar - March 6th, 2014 at 10:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by modnrod
I've got a cheapy SAAS tacho on my bike (*sigh* don't ask, it was in the shed when I needed a tach one day............) that also jumps around everywhere.
Bloody irritating isn't it? :lol:

A simple low-pass RC filter will usually stop it in it's tracks (HAHAHA! Small geek electronic humour there).
Like this one....

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/MODNROD/LowPassRCTachoFilter_zps9899453f.jpg

Nice little calculator pinched here, type in the Frequency in Hertz (4cyl-6000rpm = 3000Hz F).........
http://sim.okawa-denshi.jp/en/CRtool.php 


Um, it has been 10yrs since I did my electronics degree but doesn't f=1/T and T is number of seconds for a single cycle to occur?
6000rpm = 166rev/sec and therefore 1 rev takes 6milliseconds.
Plonking that into the calc gives an R value of 9.1Kohms.

Like i said it's been a while so don't mind if I've remembered things incorrectly.


modnrod - March 7th, 2014 at 06:39 AM

Uhm......yup! :lol: Sorta....when I first looked at it I thought, "Hang on.......", but then I got distracted.

6000rpm =12000 coil fires per minute on a 4 cyl with a dizzy =12000/60 = 200 pulses per second (Hz).
200Hz = 8.2 K Resistor.

Phew. :crazy: Oh yeah, and Jaycar will have all these components, they still stock discrete parts.

Sorry guys. My ningcompoople rating is directly proportional to the amount of sleep I get..........
Thanks Psimitar.

:tu:


Lucky Phil - March 7th, 2014 at 07:58 PM

Wow! Pscimitar! You geek you!
Outta my league,


psimitar - March 8th, 2014 at 12:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lucky Phil
Wow! Pscimitar! You geek you!
Outta my league,


Oh, i feel all warm n fuzzy inside now :lol:


psimitar - March 8th, 2014 at 12:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by modnrod
Uhm......yup! :lol: Sorta....when I first looked at it I thought, "Hang on.......", but then I got distracted.

6000rpm =12000 coil fires per minute on a 4 cyl with a dizzy =12000/60 = 200 pulses per second (Hz).
200Hz = 8.2 K Resistor.

Phew. :crazy: Oh yeah, and Jaycar will have all these components, they still stock discrete parts.

Sorry guys. My ningcompoople rating is directly proportional to the amount of sleep I get..........
Thanks Psimitar.

:tu:


Um, ok now you're making me actually use my brain for a change.

as the VW crank is of the 180degree design then one full rev on say no.1 cyl will take 2 revs but due to the cam n dizzy being gear to half that then 1 dizzy rev, which is what we are counting. So as there are 4 sparks were revolution then we are looking at 24,000 tacho input pulses @6000 rpm. Now the tacho pulse input has a divider built in to allow use with 4/6/8 cylinder engines but to filter the tacho positive feed then 24k pulses per minute is the figure we need to use.

am i right?


modnrod - March 8th, 2014 at 05:10 AM

HAHA! It's 2:35am, I just sat down on watch with my first coffee, and quickly flicked here coz I have a spare moment........Jeez my head hurts! :lol:

The pulses you want to filter, the ones that drive the tacho, come from the coil. A 4 stroke motor fires every second rev only, so in one rev on a 4 cyl the coil will fire twice (two posts on the dizzy coz it spins at half speed), a 6 cyl three times,, an 8 cyl four times, etc. So for a 4 cylinder 6000rpm = 12000pulses/minute / 60 (minutes to seconds) = 200Hz.
A 202 Red motor six spinning out to 7600rpm (HAHAHAHA! Hehehe.....yeah right!) = 7600 x 3 = 22800 / 60 = 380Hz.

Is it? I think? :crazy:
I might go back to bed now........
:starhit:


AA003 - March 8th, 2014 at 09:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by psimitar
So as there are 4 sparks were revolution then we are looking at 24,000 tacho input pulses @6000 rpm.


No there are 2 sparks per engine revolution so it is 12000 tacho input pulses @6000 rpm.

The distributor and camshaft spin at 3000 rpm when the engine is at 6000 rpm.


psimitar - March 8th, 2014 at 06:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AA003
Quote:
Originally posted by psimitar
So as there are 4 sparks were revolution then we are looking at 24,000 tacho input pulses @6000 rpm.


No there are 2 sparks per engine revolution so it is 12000 tacho input pulses @6000 rpm.

The distributor and camshaft spin at 3000 rpm when the engine is at 6000 rpm.


Cool. Can't always be right especially when i wrote that past my bedtime :)

Still, at least between us we got to the bottom of it and now know what filter parts to use :D