hey jim whats the go with the type three square back rear end ,i hear different things on this all the time some say it wont fit some say it will ,have you got any articles or technical info on this at all i guess you would have to cut the bus rear end up a lot to make it go in
david:o:o

Look at this Dave....
Steven

thanks for that ,now i just need to know about the irs into a bus from a type 111, just so happens that someone gave me a type three squareback today
david:o:o

I dont think the type 3 IRS will fit.
You normally only use the gearbox and the brakes.
Then cheapest way is to get some plates made, PMGBUS has these and fit a beetle box.

Dave, that was for swingaxle type 3 which is up to '69. i have no idea with the type 3 IRS into a bus either. The type 3 swingaxle job is what we're in the midst of doing with Jim's panel.
Steven

Well Dave, we've kind hit a flat spot. I'm busy, Jim is busy and I'm still waiting for him to go and get an old square that we know of. He's taken a fair few pics so far but don't take anything that we've done as gospel as we're learning as we go. But when Jim does get around to it, hopefully there shouldn't be too much stuffing around to get it all in but as usual i know there will be. :thumb
Steven

i picked up the type three square and have now got all the parts i need (i think) i wil have to clean up all the box etc (heaps of grime ) i will put on new rubbers etc ,check brake condition is there any thing else i should change while i am on it ,i am putting a brand new 1600 with it
david:o:o

OK,

Let me say that I have never straightaxled a split by bolting an early
Type3 rear end in - never tried that particular version.

But I'd still be surprised if the axle tubes
were long enough stock. You need axle
tubes with short end castings but lengthened so they are the same length
as later axle tubes with the long end castings.

RobK

Rob, i will know more from first hand experience when jim gets the time to get the parts we need. if you click the link to the flash presentation in my other post, it says that you have to lengthen the axle tubes. I dont claim to know a thing about busses, and i know you know them inside out but we're just gonna have a go with this and see what we can do. :thumb
Steven

Steven,

That's cool - when you're done you'll be able to tell me from the basis of experience!

Nobody knows it all and when you think you do you're in trouble!

I was really trying to say I'm making this comment with no foundation in actually having done it myself!

The other rumour is that the type 3 springplates go straight into a splitbus..

Again I'd be surprised but looking forward
to finding out!

regards

RobK

Cheers Rob,
Love the pics of the work you've been doing on your ute. :thumb Will have to investigate the springplate theory, will save the modification to the bus ones if its true.
Steven (learning)

i will try the spring plates when i get the chance hope they do fit save some work i have an early beetle transaxle for the tubes i will keep you guys informed my mate is an engineer so i will get him to cut and reweld the tubes
david

excellent david, if you could work ot how much longer they have to be that would make life easier still.
Steven

I should clarify a bit. There are a number
of people both in the US and here who have told me that the early swingaxle Type3 rear end actually bolts straight in with no mods...

ie, the springplates go straight in and the existing axle tubes bolt straight up etc etc.

I've never had the opportunity to try it (I have always modified type 1 tubes and bus springplates) and I've always doubted if this is in fact the case. .

But I'd love to know for sure! Be sweet if it did happen to work.

RobK

Tubes have to be lengthened 28 mm.

If you have a press pop the endcasting off, add the 28mm grind down and replace end casting (which will cover join) - strongest and neatest. Have to redrill the pin hole.

Alternatively join at top where axle boot will cover join ......

RobK

awesome shock wage show

let us know, i'm interested too !

I WILL BE PULLING THE BOX OUT THIS WEEK AND HAVING A PLAY ,I WILL GET SOME PICTURES

You can always get the adapter plates from pmgbus.
That way you use the normal beetle box and dont have to cut the swing plates.
Cheers
Dave

what do they do apart from adapt and any pics or info on them

They allow you to bolt a beetle gearbox to the standard springplates, then you fit early type 3 drums and backing plates, they have a lower shock mount built in and it lowers the rear by about 3 inches.
contact pmgbus for prices.
if you check some of my old posts you will see a pic of them ,
I posted it about 6 months ago.

Cheers
Dave

if i want to paint it what is the best way to get it real clean so paint will stick to it