Just picked up the latest VW Trends magazine, & as most of u on this forum may have figured out, I like talking about big motors, hp & dynos etc.............I also like comedy, & if u do too I suggets that u get a copy of this magazine, heres some combo's & numbers for u, U can join the dots.............all the numbers are at the wheels..........

First some street driven cars.

2442cc turbo Karman ghia, 284hp!

2275cc turbo Oval, 336hp!

1776cc Beetle 146hp...............

2332cc Beetle , 200hp

2275cc Turbo Manx buggy, 332hp

1914cc turbo Beetle, 266hp

Then the drag cars are all over the 300hp mark that I can see just from scanning over the article.

Just for some insight, Leighs 2007cc intercooled & injected turbo had 155hp @ the wheels & it was the quickest thing that I've been in. He also didn't have a huge fan strapped to the intercooler like the only intercooled turbo did in the magazine:kiss whilst on the dyno.

The article makes a good read at least

Jak

Jak thats the funniest article ive read in ages....

I think tehre talkng about Japanese Horsepower.... not reall Aussie stuff.:alien

Hmmm add the 7 carry the 3....whoooohoo!

I should get 178 horsepower out of my 2110!!

:jesus

Hello boys!:o:o:o
Now THATS insane!!!
And if any Street Machine reader comes up with "thats not much" then they're forgetting these are powering cars under 1000kgs!

The Honda S2000 sports, with VVTi, multiple valves, multi-port injection and an 8500 rpm redline puts out 176 kW from 2 litres (at the flywheel), say 156 BHP at the wheels.....
and yet it is - allegedly - outgunned by even the NA volkswagens.

How does this stuff get written?

Do they have 1/4 mile times to back the power claims up? Are they really BS or are we too slow? I think someone said leighs 155 hp was made at low rpm, these cars probably make peak power at 7 - 8500 rpm im guessing. Have to get the article.

Yawn, so a 1776 is just shy of Leigh's HP............. yeah right !!!

there so full of:puke

Hi

You can read about it here http://www.vwtrendsweb.com/events/0311vwt_dynoday/

Looking at some of the turbo setups, big cams, big turbos and big boost seems to be in vogue, wonder how the street ones drive or how long they last?

1302Steve

Oh yeh, the turbo Oval with the intercooler was the only one with disk brakes & IRS, the rest had drum brakes & swingaxle................then they ask, but how did my car just swing violently into the other lane & hit the wall.............
It's not rocket science!
They also bragged that the followed the turbo Oval for at least 30 minutes on the road to the Photo shoot, making it a true street car...............I'm in stitches!!

Steve,

they would drive like this...

idle up, clutch out, accelerator down............................................................................................................. wait for it ...............................................................................massive wheelspin for 0.5 seconds, redline, 2nd gear ..... repeat until 4th.

Not Very Streetable I would imagine.

love your work Doug !!! but you forgot........................ get to fourth ....back down through the gears..........pull out and rebuild

Now all of you remember thers only ONE country in the world the goodoldUSA....

pissing myself

Maybe their dyno figures are just like the the dollar, our hp figures are only worth 70% of theirs??

I also picked up my issue yesterday and had a chuckle at the HP figures.....so I went to the tech article on usefull conversion figures expecting to find one that said if outside the U.S. divide by 2.

Couldn't find such a conversion.....

The 1776 apparently runs 12.8 and a few of the turbo cars are in the tens so they may not be that exaggerated, just very full on race setups. I wouldnt compare them to a local car built to drive distances.

Shifty, you have hit the nail on the head dude, you need at least 150hp to run 12's over the 1/4, and 300hp + to run 10's.

But I bet if all these cars left Sydney to drive to nambucca, not many would make it.

I completly agree, that 1776 had 12:1 compression, Probably wouldnt make it to sydney let alone nambucca. Doesnt mean its not a street car though.

I remember reading an Article by Keith Sueme when he purchased that legendary chop top call look car from the 70's & took it home to England. It runs 12's with it's 2180 engine. In the states it was getting 180hp @ the wheels, but the most that he could get out of it back in England was 130hp @ the wheels no matter what dyno he used, & it was still running 12's as well. I know all dyno's are different but thats alot.

Dave, do u know what yours has at the wheels, from your 13.3 & pulling out of it after the filter hiccup, do u think that your combo would have 150@ the wheels. I reckon the spec of your engine kills that 1776, just on capacity alone. It does have higher compression than yours, but how much is that really worth?
regards
Jak

Jak,
I have no idea, I will bring it to the dyno day if I get it all back together in time.

i would assume it is like all things in america..... imperial pound then theres american pound and other weights and so forth?


otherwise theyre sum bullshit or some wild mother%%#@$%@ of engines hehe

simon from noh20 in wa gets 120 hp chassis dyno from his 1776 ive seen footage of this car and believe it he says its all in the heads am going to have a go at building this motor myself . he has 7.5-1 comp and does 14-5 quarters

jack

whats the story about swing axles, are you talking about wheel tuck or something more sinister

Not dissin our US forum mates here, but I smell a rat.

I reckon it's a conspiracy. The only reason they announced Saddam being captured, was to take the focus away from this article.

Squiz.....

i can't remember the details regarding the 1776, but the h.p. numbers on the turbo ghia and the blue chop are definitely legit.

yesterday i shot video of that blue chop running a 10.13@136 mph at carlsbad... despite having 28% leakdown on one cylinder.

since the static c.r. is only 7.8:1, it's fully streetable, and he drives it on a regular basis... he also recently installed aem efi, it's making way more h.p. than what it was on that trends dyno day mag article.

Here's the website for one of those cars mentioned (2442 turbo ghia). From the pic on the opening page it looks like he has a bit of power there.

http://www.raymejia.freeservers.com/ 

This wouldnt happen to be Ocean Street Dan would it???????

Apart from the longevity of the motor, I'd hate to have to drive 155hp around town... 110 (see craigs dyno results) or whatever I've got is hard enough to hang on to when it's wet, and it's way too easy to get used to suddenly going fast. I suppose if it's manageable power it's okay, but 130 in a 50 zone can't be good. not that I'm that stupid. it's definately time to upgrade my handling:o and brakes...

:thumb
sounds good !

300HP Drag Cars? Maybe the turbo cars...Most of the Turbo car were way up on boost.

Most of us N/A Drag cars were below 200HP .... Lee Gong won the N/A class with a 220HP pull...

Just wish some of the "real" Horse Power N/A cars would have shown up.