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running a little warm
wiseoldub - January 22nd, 2003 at 08:01 PM

just put a 2 ltr in my twin cab and its running a little warm. 25 min drive on the highway and we're getting up tp 120 degrees on the sump plug oil temp gauge! the motor has not been run regularly for about a year and i'm sure that this has something to do with it! i was thinking of putting individual air cleaner pods on each carb to help with proper induction for a start, but is there anything else you would recommend? i am also going to have a play with the thermostat this weekend to make sure it is working! i figured on changing the oil after 100 k's also, just because of the time it has spent not running!
any other thoughts?
cheers josh


wiseoldub - January 22nd, 2003 at 08:30 PM

its alright, don't reply.... i just read the post on extra oil coolers by azz and it answered all my questions. its as i thought so thanks to all that have helped azz because now they have helped me too!!!
cheers josh


azz - January 23rd, 2003 at 09:33 AM

so what did you do or have you done?


wiseoldub - January 23rd, 2003 at 05:28 PM

i had an idea it was the thermostat, so i will more than likely keep thing open all the time to keep cooler air over the engine the whole time! it may take a little longer to warm up but it'll do till i can get another thermostat! another thing i used to run with my upright motor was an extra oil cooler run from a full flow pump at the rear of the engine, but this was so effective it actually worked against me as the oil was not getting hot enough and barely got to 70 deg. bypassed it and was much happier! i think that you should check that your thermostat is working properly and if it is not then wire it open constantly! this envolves getting under the engine and taking the coverplate, or 'tinware' off the bottom of the engine [ phillips head screwdriver to get at 4 screws] then look for the thermostat. it will have a line made of wire running to it that connects to the bar that you put wd 40 on over the topside of the engine. it looks a little like a spring covered with plastic. sort of a consatina effect. it is only small, bout the size of a dd size battery. when you have found it , try working the wire back and forth a little. [hopefully it is moving] notice where it turns over a nylon wheel? mark a point on the wheel and then one on the engine next to it that corresponds. two marks that line up when the engine is off and you haven't pulled on the wire! now go for a drive. when the engine gets warm, stop and get back under the car. are the marks still in line? if yes, then your thermostat has retired and you will need to keep that position on that wire on the wheel untill you can get another one. but till then , keep that wire tight as it is connected to flaps around the engine that duct cool air over the oil cooler after the car has reached the right operating temp! i know this is the long way round but i know what is like to have all this information and have no idea what to do with it! it is only through owning vw's that i have learnt how to save them. kep up the good work, you're doing great!
cheers josh:o:beer


azz - January 26th, 2003 at 02:55 PM

thabnks for your help wiseoldub
well i went and did what you said and i dont have a thermostat- its been removed
i got the guys at customoffroads to do a service on it once and i mentioned it was running hot- he said he knew of a way to check the flaps without pulling it all apart-
apparantly he worked out how to use a small mirror in one of the sparkplug holes-
didnt make any sense to me then but it does now :)
the flaps are open according to him and NO other mechanic has said to replace the thermostat
this stuff is so confusing sometimes i wish i was a mechanic instead of a nurse
its not running over 120 degrees in the heat up here now since i installed the elephant ears so i dont know what else to do
there is a berg temp sender for sale for $80 so i might get that and that will confirm temp
i dont trust the vdo guage i have- i have already had it replaced because the last one was faulty
any ideas of how to check the vdo one- can i just unscrew it and put it in a cup of boiling water (whilst holding my finger over the hole it came out of)?


wiseoldub - January 27th, 2003 at 02:45 PM

if you are going to take the sump plug out, i recommend getting to your local vw man and grabbing a standard sump plug to replace the one you will take out. it shouldn't cost more than a dollar or so.once you take the sender unit out, you can either put your finger on the hole while you ready the new plug to go in, or you can drain the whole thing and do an oil change. your choice. i have done both and the former is a little dirtier, but effective none the less! take note of the oil you lose as you will want to replace it when you are done.to check whether your sender is working, boil a jug of water and then take it outside and put the sender in it while still being attatched to the car. this will then read on your dash [provided your ignition is on and not your motor!] it has been posted that a read of about 90" should be seen.as far as brands of sender and gauge go, i have been using vdo as i believe them to be the better of the ones i have seen! tested to high standards of hot treatment and adverse conditions , so my mate the sparky reckons!
hope this helps. if you do decide to do the oil chage, you may want to go the whole hog and change the oil filter and strainer and gaskets too depending on how long it has been since the last one! to do this you will need to get a z100 oil filter from a repco [or other parts place] and an oil strainer gasket kit from your local vw man . the oil filter just screws on and can be seen under the car on the left of centre to the rear! just look for the same shape thing as what you have bought! easy! the oil strainer kit will come with two large rings made of a material fibre and a small compression washer that is designed to flatten out when tightened and goes on before the sump plug does, between it and the motor!when you take the strainer out , check it for any metals[ small filings] or anything other than oil. make a note of this and ask you vw man or post your findings here and we'll help you out! should be just oil! clean your strainer out before putting it back on!
hope this has been of some use!
cheers and good luck!!!!
josh


azz - January 27th, 2003 at 04:49 PM

thanks again man
i just had a major service done about 500kms ago so I wont do the oil change etc
thats why I wonder about my temps and why they were high (i say were because the elephant ears have dropped it by about 15degree) because my van is in such good condition and I am always getting it serviced and it always well maintained
I guess I will get out there and check the validity of the current vdo temp guage

thanks alot for your help :kiss


wiseoldub - January 27th, 2003 at 07:49 PM

not a prob man! keep up the good work!
cheers josh:thumb;)