super bug lowering
t2 - November 9th, 2005 at 08:08 PM
dont really want to buy dropped spindles as yet so how do you lower the front of a super bug, it has the coils over the front shocks, can you use
adjusters or is there another method, also wanting to narrow the front end any good how tos to read
t2
barls - November 9th, 2005 at 08:14 PM
the front end cant be narrowed to my knowledge but the best way to lower a sbug is the struts from v force its ether that or maxx struts both are
adjust able
squizy - November 9th, 2005 at 08:19 PM
You can have the cups on the struts relocated which will give you a drop. This is the cheaper option short of spending the big bucks. I've done it to
my Super and have a 3 inch drop, with no issues, but still retain standard travel. It's not the best option, but a good $$ saver. Are you in Sydney?
beerdoc - November 9th, 2005 at 08:23 PM
I agree with barls but I could not afford Vforce struts and it was a daily for my daughter
What I did was use early golf struts and outers and adapt spring cones to them 2" drop and same ride
Still running 165s with a little rubbing and looking to try 155s
Keep in mind the smaller the spring diameter the harsher the ride
Hope this helps
Oh ye this was on 2 blot late type super
barls - November 9th, 2005 at 08:25 PM
i didnt and still dont have the money for the struts so im doing the cup method as well
Bizarre - November 9th, 2005 at 08:26 PM
Read here
http://www.clubvw.org.au/struts.htm
visit here
http://www.beetleracing.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_24
As for narrowing beams it is not necessary / possible.
By putting narrowed springs on and getting the correct offset wheels it is possible to get 8" or 9" x 17" under stock guards
Snotty the green beetle on the V Foce site has these wheels
Pick the wheels you want and check the offset to see if you need the thinner springs.
Generally any wheel wider than 5.5" that FITS under stock guards will need thinner springs
Best way is to come over and see some Supers at Mortlake (V Force) Mine is a 2 bolt set up and Snotty is a 3 bolter. There is a selection of wheels
they could show you
beerdoc - November 9th, 2005 at 08:27 PM
Nice one squizy but be careful you dont lose tha initial soft dampening(first part of travel ) of the strut that would put you in the mid range
straight away
If that makes any sense
I suffer thinking quicker than I can Type Doh
beerdoc - November 9th, 2005 at 08:30 PM
Got to love those Vforce struts
Bizarre - November 9th, 2005 at 08:32 PM
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Originally
posted by beerdoc
Keep in mind the smaller the spring diameter the harsher the ride
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I will be pedantic and correct this
It is not the smaller spring that makes the harsher ride it is the fact that V Force usually starts at 135 lbs
Stock is like 85lbs
You can get thin springed 85lbs (but why??:jesus)
Considering for under a grand you get lowered, new springs, inserts and space for wide wheels
Compare this to a narrowered beam with berg adjusters, extended shock towers and new shocks.
Bizarre - November 9th, 2005 at 08:34 PM
By "just" lowering the cup you are "squashing" the stock insert.
You should put a shorter strut in at the same time
1303Steve - November 9th, 2005 at 08:36 PM
Hi
You cant buy drop spindles for a super bug, the lower ball joint would hit the wheel.
As suggested above the adjustable struts are the way to go. Adjustable struts also use a smaller diameter spring to give more wheel & tyre clearance,
you can narrow the front a little, it was done on the Acid Rush 75 that Vintage did, it was featrured in VMA a few issues ago. Using the adjustable
struts with the smaller diameter springs they basically moved the strut tops inboard and shortened the lower control arms.
Steve
crewcabconnection - November 9th, 2005 at 08:41 PM
Darren - can you get struts chromed or not?
beerdoc - November 9th, 2005 at 08:46 PM
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Originally
posted by Bizarre
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posted by beerdoc
Keep in mind the smaller the spring diameter the harsher the ride
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I will be pedantic and correct this
It is not the smaller spring that makes the harsher ride it is the fact that V Force usually starts at 135 lbs
Stock is like 85lbs
You can get thin springed 85lbs (but why??:jesus)
Considering for under a grand you get lowered, new springs, inserts and space for wide wheels
Compare this to a narrowered beam with berg adjusters, extended shock towers and new shocks.
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Please correct me but my point was if the spring rates are the same which spring will be harsher large or small?
Bizarre - November 9th, 2005 at 08:52 PM
Ok - you got me.
If the spring rate is the same i would not think there would be any difference.
Your move 
beerdoc - November 9th, 2005 at 08:58 PM
PLease dont get me wrong. it was not like. that I am new to this stuff and like too learn and make sure I am not barking up the wrong tree
thumb:beer
t2 - November 9th, 2005 at 09:40 PM
:jesus will have to read these again tomorrow
so how much are the adjustable struts , would be fitting on myself if i go down that road
t2 - November 9th, 2005 at 09:43 PM
ccc dont need to bling up those dont think they will be seen , plenty of old school bling going onto it , lots of stuff that most likely shouldnt be
on there from early beetles. and way to much chrome
Jeza - November 10th, 2005 at 04:59 AM
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Originally
posted by 1303Steve
Hi
You cant buy drop spindles for a super bug, the lower ball joint would hit the wheel.
As suggested above the adjustable struts are the way to go. Adjustable struts also use a smaller diameter spring to give more wheel & tyre clearance,
you can narrow the front a little, it was done on the Acid Rush 75 that Vintage did, it was featrured in VMA a few issues ago. Using the adjustable
struts with the smaller diameter springs they basically moved the strut tops inboard and shortened the lower control arms.
Steve
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Did just this exact same thing to my 1302 so I could fit the Cookie cutters with 944 single pot brakes under stock front guards(2 bolt
arrangement).... the biggest issue I have with this is the amount of steering lock I've lost! Supers never had a very good turning circle to begin
with! My recommendation if you are thinking you want to narrow the front a little would be to fit toplines camper + kit. If you have a 2 bolt super
then you can pull the lower mount inwards to shorten the control arms, and correct your positive camber out at the strut to hub/spindle/ steering
knuckle whatever you like to call this.
Don't get too caried away though as you only want to shorten the lower arm by the amount you can push the tops in by, or less.
Cheers
Jeremy
[ Edited on 9-11-2005 by Jeza ]
Bizarre - November 10th, 2005 at 06:50 AM
The V Force struts are like $900 - $1000 depending on springs and inserts
He also does camber compensators.
Have a look at Egeworks ride. He has them
Will try and find the link
Fitting is like an hour a side stopping for beers. Dead easy
squizy - November 10th, 2005 at 09:39 AM
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Fitting is like an hour a side stopping for beers. Dead easy
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Gee that rings a bell mate. :P
T2 - Bazza will of course push that old fashioned German Look to you, with those funny big wheels that are really wide, and apparently give excellent
handling. LOL :P:P
Me?....135's are the go!!! :thumb
Either way - it just depends on how much you want to spend. I got my cups lowered for $45 each, which was pretty good I thought. Give Andrew Dodd a
call and he send them off and put them on.
[ Edited on 9-11-2005 by squizy ]
1303Steve - November 10th, 2005 at 10:14 AM
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T2 - Bazza will of course push that old fashioned German Look to you, with those funny big wheels that are really wide, and apparently give excellent
handling. LOL :P:P
Me?....135's are the go!!! :thumb
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Hi
I think you got it wrong, the German Look is the new look, the old look is Cal look. Cal look is inspired by drag racing, German look is inspired
Auotbahn storming, Kafer cup & curcuit. As our streets have corners is a drag racing style the best way to go?
Steve
In the words of vujade from Germanlook.com
"German Look to me is the utilization of modern parts on our cherished old VW's. This could mean parts from Porsche, VW, Mercedes & even the
aftermarket. I dont believe it it just limited to Porsche parts like some believe.
I dont think it should be limited to just one style either, it could include stripped out track ready cars & also modern looking streeters too.
Lets not turn the German Look into the cal look where we all have same retro look cars with BRM Rims, 135 Tires, turbo muffler & lowered more in the
front then the rear!
Nothing against the Cal Look personally, I have been a fan for many years since the early 80's. But as of recently it has turned a bunch of
homogenized cars with basically the same setup with different paint jobs! I remember a time when cal look meant anything from mono tone paint jobs to
graphic paint jobs & everything in between."
squizy - November 10th, 2005 at 10:40 AM
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Originally
posted by 1303Steve
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T2 - Bazza will of course push that old fashioned German Look to you, with those funny big wheels that are really wide, and apparently give excellent
handling. LOL :P:P
Me?....135's are the go!!! :thumb
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Hi
I think you got it wrong, the German Look is the new look, the old look is Cal look. Cal look is inspired by drag racing, German look is inspired
Auotbahn storming, Kafer cup & curcuit. As our streets have corners is a drag racing style the best way to go?
Steve
In the words of vujade from Germanlook.com
"German Look to me is the utilization of modern parts on our cherished old VW's. This could mean parts from Porsche, VW, Mercedes & even the
aftermarket. I dont believe it it just limited to Porsche parts like some believe.
I dont think it should be limited to just one style either, it could include stripped out track ready cars & also modern looking streeters too.
Lets not turn the German Look into the cal look where we all have same retro look cars with BRM Rims, 135 Tires, turbo muffler & lowered more in the
front then the rear!
Nothing against the Cal Look personally, I have been a fan for many years since the early 80's. But as of recently it has turned a bunch of
homogenized cars with basically the same setup with different paint jobs! I remember a time when cal look meant anything from mono tone paint jobs to
graphic paint jobs & everything in between."
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Steve....my tongue is firmly in my cheek. I just know how much Barry loves the German Look.
Bizarre - November 10th, 2005 at 12:04 PM
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[Steve....my tongue
is firmly in my cheek. I just know how much Barry loves the German Look.
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Hmmmmm..... usually it is my foot in my mouth :jesus
beerdoc - November 10th, 2005 at 03:49 PM
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Originally
posted by Bizarre
| Quote: | [Steve....my tongue
is firmly in my cheek. I just know how much Barry loves the German Look.
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Hmmmmm..... usually it is my foot in my mouth :jesus
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THat makes 3 of us:beer
1303Steve - November 10th, 2005 at 08:58 PM
Why are people so unkind to Barry?
Bizarre - November 11th, 2005 at 07:36 AM
Because i turn up for beers on a Friday!! 
Just thought i would edit this to make it clear that this was a spiteful and mean shot at BOTH Squiz AND Steve.
Just to prove i am not bias towards anyone in particular........except GL Supers :P:P:P
:thumb:beer
[ Edited on 10-11-2005 by Bizarre ]
squizy - November 11th, 2005 at 09:35 AM
LOL - touche - one all.