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Gilmer Belt drives on VW type 1
colonel mustard - November 1st, 2009 at 02:26 PM

Hey all!

I was wondering if anyone has done this before? I think i have seen it on that white & blue Volksrod (in a past issue of VWMA)
ANy ideas if they are made or are a custom jobbie.. tensioner would be needed on a 2 pulley setup yes? Waste of time and just go for the serpentine system??


STIDUB - November 1st, 2009 at 05:36 PM

spend the limited funds you have on necessities before attempting to go for shiny "cool" things would be my advice


ian.mezz - November 2nd, 2009 at 12:19 PM

waste of your money:no:


bajachris88 - November 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 PM

how would that go when the fan rpm cuts off at a certain rev range while the rest of the motor goes up (isn't it like 4000rpm when the belt starts slipping so the fan don't blow itself up?)


Camo - November 2nd, 2009 at 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by bajachris88
how would that go when the fan rpm cuts off at a certain rev range while the rest of the motor goes up (isn't it like 4000rpm when the belt starts slipping so the fan don't blow itself up?)


Well this is something I haven't heard of before. I know I dont know a lot about VW, but I couldn't see this happening. Anyone else. Sorry if I'm wrong.

Kev


Sides - November 2nd, 2009 at 02:06 PM

Bajawes is pretty much the expert on fans - he did his engineering thesis or something on the VW cooling fan, and he proved the old "the VW fan cavitates at X rpm" myth was actually due to belt slip.

But yeah - it'd be a risk just like it is with the serpentine systems - standard fan's just aren't designed to do crazy revs.

Never happened to me, but at Warwick on the Saturday someone had their fan go bang and yeah - made a bit of a mess.

:td:


colonel mustard - November 2nd, 2009 at 02:42 PM

I think thats why welded fans are avaliable...


ian.mezz - November 2nd, 2009 at 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by colonel mustard
I think thats why welded fans are avaliable...


stop wasting your money on stuff that wont make your car any better.:crazy::lol::no::lol::crazy:
ps I have double over headed fox tails if you after some of them:crazy:


Joel - November 2nd, 2009 at 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by Camo
Quote:
Originally posted by bajachris88
how would that go when the fan rpm cuts off at a certain rev range while the rest of the motor goes up (isn't it like 4000rpm when the belt starts slipping so the fan don't blow itself up?)


Well this is something I haven't heard of before. I know I dont know a lot about VW, but I couldn't see this happening. Anyone else. Sorry if I'm wrong.

Kev



;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/vdubsinjensen/P3020008.jpg

ttakes a good motor to rev to the point that this happens but all it takes is the fan being spot welded to prevent it


squizy - November 2nd, 2009 at 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by ian.mezz
ps I have double over headed fox tails if you after some of them:crazy:


I'll take one.


STIDUB - November 2nd, 2009 at 03:45 PM

i assume the welded fans have the blades welded to the body alot better than factory specs? or is there more to it?


trickysimon - November 2nd, 2009 at 06:20 PM

Thats it, just fully welded. Only spot welds from factory.
The look of a serpentine is worth the risk of fan explosion :cool::rolleyes:


Joel - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:05 PM

stock fans arent welded at all
the blades are just held in place by the tabs being peened over

welded fans just have all these tabs spot welded in place


http://www.glenn-ring.com/engine/images/155_5594.jpg


hellbugged - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:11 PM

it's the acceleration of the fan that makes them explode, not necessarily high rpm..........certainly not fun when the shrapnel jams the throttle wide open


trickysimon - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:15 PM

How would it jam it open when you got the throttle tube going through the shroud?
Unless it slices through that...


Joel - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:18 PM

you dont wanna see the carnage a fan makes when it explodes

would make u launch that pretty serp over the back fence


hellbugged - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:19 PM

correctamundo :tu:


trickysimon - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:23 PM

Yeh, I've heard of smashed cylinder fins and all sorts of carnage that they can cause :borg:


colonel mustard - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:25 PM

well... im sold on keeping my squealer


dangerous - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:25 PM

...or get the correct sized lower pulley to keep the fan rpms under control.


trickysimon - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:27 PM

But then your fan isnt spinning fast enough the rest of the time?


Joel - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:29 PM

get a revlimitor rotor or just have the fan welded and balanced


hellbugged - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:31 PM

or all three :dork:


trickysimon - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:31 PM

Or stop being a bunch of pussys :lol:


dangerous - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:33 PM

I should clarify that, yes Simon,
there needs to be a pulley made to get the maximum rpm correct,
and fit a rev limiter as well.

The smaller "power pulleys" may be too small for full time "normal" use,
but I think the ratio of most serpentine systems over-drives the fan faster than stock.


Joel - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:36 PM

yea the gen pulleys are noticably smaller
i know just putting a 10mm smaller pulley on my blower upped the boost by 2psi so i can only imagine its spining the fan alot faster


STIDUB - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:40 PM

whats a welded fan worth? say as an exchange kinda deal....


trickysimon - November 2nd, 2009 at 07:44 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-factory-VW-welded-and-balanced-doghouse-cooling-fan_W0QQitemZ180426633862QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ200 91101?IMSfp=TL0911011410001r37190


STIDUB - November 2nd, 2009 at 09:01 PM

woah, who wants a welded fan then! i think i currently have 2 fans & i do that kinda thing daily:lol:


colonel mustard - November 2nd, 2009 at 09:07 PM

it says balanced too...