Guys I am after an exhaust for my soon to be finished supercharged 1916.

I need something that does not stick too far aft else I wont make it up my drive way without scraping up the header at the 5 oclock bolt hole position.

Q. Does the A1 Side winder shown here
https://www.classicveedub.com.au/cvd_new/part_detail.aspx?parts_id=16618 

stick out less aft than the merge system shown here:

https://www.classicveedub.com.au/cvd_new/part_detail.aspx?parts_id=16613 

If anyone has pictures of their installs of the side winder please share!
I am after how far aft the lowest point on the exhaust stick past the rear engine tinware.

Also which of the two is quieter?

Personally I'd pick the sidewinder for 2 reasons:

1. It should have better clearance.

2. It has better performance potential as essentially it's a merged header mounted sideways and as your putting this on a supercharged 1916 you don't want to restrict it.

the sidwinder is fully merged and correct in firing order and would perform better

Hi

Are the ones form Classic genuine A1 side winders?

Steve

can't be genuine A1 for that price!
the sidewinder type will give more clearance for turning up a steep drive.

I have the classic sidewinder, and its perfect for ground clearance.................and its identical to the A1 systems.

Except in quality......

Hi

I have genuine A-1 sidewinder on my sons car, very impressed.

Steve

Anyone able to post some pics of a sidewinder installed on their engine ???

Interested to see the clearance around the oil pump and pulley... trying to figure if it will clear my CB dry sump pump or not.

Actually - going by these pics on samba looks like plenty of room in there.

I have on of the 304 stainless steel side winder rip of from george, excellently made and the tig welding is very good, only problem when i fitted the muffler was it hit on the rear caliper, a ford unit, simply cut the bend and retigged it, been on the car for three years with out a problem

How quiet are these sidewinders, quieter than 2 x hotdogs? reason I have the hot dogs is for ground clearance but the sidewinder seems to be up higher than the bottom of the sump. How far do they project behind the pully?

these type of exhaust is as close and compact as you can get and are a lot quiter that a straight though hot dog,

Hi

I put a set on my sons bug, I was running a filter pump, I couldn't get it work so I had to change pumps. The other thing that give me the shits is that I cant get the motor out with them on, so to remove the motor for a simple job the rear part of the system needs to be removed.

I've heard people say that they are very noisy, I'm running a 2 dozen can muffler I got from Westy, its reasonable.

I see on VW060 got rid of the "patented dust maker" good idea.

Steve

I see that but my buggy isn't your normal buggy, it has a deep sump and is dropped d
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low but I do have a tow bar that, on closer inspection, may stop me fitting one of these systems, may need to take a trip to see George to check it out.

Not the case at all , the ford caliper is mounted a long way inboard, the exhaust is the correct one for the beetle

The "beetle muffler" for the sidewinder exhaust has the inlet on the right and the outlet on the left (under the car). Your muffler has the inlet on the left and the outlet on the right (opposite) which puts the muffler out towards the wheel and brakes more. That muffler is designed for being used on a Kombi

I had the same problem with mine on the ragtop.........until I realised I had the wrong muffler !

Have a look at the below muffler and compare it with yours.

It's not a side winder, it's one i got from george, if it was not for the brake caliper it would have gone straight on even with the eight inch rims.

The style is called a 'sidewinder'. George's are an exact copy of the A1 system......trust me, I have both. The beetle muffler will clear ALL disc brake setups (including Ford, skyline, CB etc).

My 1st muffler was the same as yours, and it hit my rear calipers. I replaced it with the beetle muffler, and had no probs with clearance

Below link was the 1st muffler I had, bought from george and being the same as yours.
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=78206#pid727497 

Anyway, yours is all soughted now.....so all is good !