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New alternator has no keyway for pulley? bad? (Got reply from seller, meant to...
bajachris88 - June 29th, 2011 at 07:06 PM

I feel alarmed and a bit pissed off...

fair enough, u buy cheap, u get cheap, but bought a new ebay alternator.

An old one i had, had a keyway for the drive pulley. This new alternator does not have a keyway machined into the front of the shaft for the pulley.

Was this the way the later vw's (eg. mexican) just operated?

If it was a stupid chinese sweat shop F*^k up is there a way i can make it work? the rest of the internals are good and solid, and its in working order (as it came with a test/output slip that appears genuine).

Thanks guys,
Chris.


bajachris88 - June 29th, 2011 at 07:25 PM

hmm... anyone with a lathe that can do a quick zip on it for me for oem key fitment, without me having to disassemble?

maybe for a crown tallie :P or 2?


matberry - June 29th, 2011 at 07:45 PM

You need more than a lathe mate, a mill and disassembly required...send it back.


bajachris88 - June 29th, 2011 at 07:56 PM

no worries, have sent an email and photos.

Hopefully they just ship another one.
Thanks Matt.


vlad01 - June 29th, 2011 at 08:44 PM

lol, what has this world come to?

oh wait everything is made in china these days :rolleyes:


68AutoBug - June 30th, 2011 at 12:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajachris88
I feel alarmed and a bit pissed off...

fair enough, u buy cheap, u get cheap, but bought a new ebay alternator.

An old one i had, had a keyway for the drive pulley. This new alternator does not have a keyway machined into the front of the shaft for the pulley.

Was this the way the later vw's (eg. mexican) just operated?

Thanks guys,
Chris.


Hi Chris

I wouldn't be surprised if they made hundreds of those just the same....
they don't really know what they are making... lol
they just think copy copy copy... so long as it looks the same...

An alternator without a keyway.. is like having disc brakes without the pads... lol

the other problem i've seen lots of... is the pulleys that bolt onto the alternator go on too far and bolt up against the alternator housing.... lol

so, I see they sell shims to fix this problem in the USA...

the belt is also offset when this happens , so if the pulley goes on too far but doesn't bind, then the edges of the belt get worn off...

If they are going to copy making things they need to get a German made set of calipers... lol

the chinese ones aren't accurate enough... lol

LEE


bajachris88 - June 30th, 2011 at 12:15 AM

lol i rekon your on the money Lee.

fools :lol:, and foolish of me buying lol. student wage doesn't really offer a variety though :)
I got german master cyinder and brake cylinders yay! lol.
and decent shocks (kyb/cofab), cofab tie rod ends, ball joints, kotto bearings and brazilian steering damper. Some german hi flow pump and filter too.

Hopefully teh car doesn't break all at once from cheapness with the other bits and bobs :D

I rekon the urethane torsion bar bushes and engine cradle mounts will be the first things to go on the front and rear end when this gal's back on the road. Shame its gotta be that way. I will just have to keep an eye on it.


68AutoBug - June 30th, 2011 at 02:30 AM

Hi Chris,

The engine mounts may be OK for a while...

but the nolathane bushes in the rear torsion bars

are a problem unless You used rubber grease on them..

as the rubber bushes actually twist as the nolathane ones cannot
twist but turn on the shaft...
so some lubrication would be good.. IMHO

cheers

LEE

where are all the photos Chris..??

LEE


bajachris88 - June 30th, 2011 at 08:38 AM

lol, photo updates will be coming :), thanks Lee.

i got a reply from the seller, was interesting! This is what they said:

"Hello, Please don't worry about it keway's are not used anymore only the old style Bosch units had it just install it everything would be fine."

I'm a bit sceptical, but we'll see how it goes :S


1303Steve - June 30th, 2011 at 08:44 AM

Hi

I wouldn't use it without a key, it will slip for sure.

Steve


matberry - June 30th, 2011 at 09:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajachris88

"Hello, Please don't worry about it keway's are not used anymore only the old style Bosch units had it just install it everything would be fine."




DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE....

and if you think it's ok to run without a key in the pulley.....would you be interested in purchasing some NOS chrome muffler bearings? These are of course suitable for single or dual mufflers.


HappyDaze - June 30th, 2011 at 10:33 AM

I'll have a set of those muffler bearings, Matt. Oh, are they STD or 1st under-size? Do you have any tappet clearances left - metric ones preferred.:smirk:


bajachris88 - June 30th, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Will trade em' for my cans of striped paint :smilegrin:


Joel - June 30th, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HappyDaze
I'll have a set of those muffler bearings, Matt. Oh, are they STD or 1st under-size? Do you have any tappet clearances left - metric ones preferred.:smirk:


Make sure you get the Iron-graphite ones

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=10 


bajachris88 - June 30th, 2011 at 01:01 PM

for all future reference,

the ebay seller was:

"CALTRIC"
with quiet a large rep and all that crap :S

It was from the states. I guess all i can do now is go shop for another one?
no return to caltric as they rekon she's alright :crazy:, and thus there is no bounds in their mind for a refund (sigh)


matberry - June 30th, 2011 at 01:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HappyDaze
I'll have a set of those muffler bearings, Matt. Oh, are they STD or 1st under-size? Do you have any tappet clearances left - metric ones preferred.:smirk:


Greg, I have any sizes you want.....the tappet clearances I keep are all metric, I hope they'll do......I'll just go and check for the sparkplug gaps, surely you'll need them too, I keep them with the long wait's..............I'll be back in a minute. :)


donn - June 30th, 2011 at 01:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajachris88
lol, photo updates will be coming :), thanks Lee.

i got a reply from the seller, was interesting! This is what they said:

"Hello, Please don't worry about it keway's are not used anymore only the old style Bosch units had it just install it everything would be fine."

I'm a bit sceptical but we'll see how it goes :S


I'm a bit sceptical about it coming from the states going by the crook grammar


barls - June 30th, 2011 at 01:36 PM

id put up bad feed back and take it to the ebay dispute section. incorrect item supplied and mis advertised


HappyDaze - June 30th, 2011 at 01:38 PM

Sorry to butt in on your thread, Chris, but while I'm waiting for Matt, it may be a good time to ask if anyone has any spare REAR negative camber they don't need? It must be swing-axle neg., not that double-joint crap! I need about 2.5 degrees of it, and will gladly pay postage.


matberry - June 30th, 2011 at 08:27 PM

Chris, get a key way cut into your shaft, be the cheapest option from here. They aren't difficult to disassemble.

Greg, sorry dude, all out of negative camber, it's in high demand up here, as you know, things turn to crap when your rear end goes positive.


1916baja - June 30th, 2011 at 08:36 PM

:lol:


bajachris88 - June 30th, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by matberry
Chris, get a key way cut into your shaft, be the cheapest option from here. They aren't difficult to disassemble.



No worries. Thanks Matt, will pull apart and take it to an engineering shop. Used to be one in springwood, will drop him a visit :)


Aussie Dubbin - July 1st, 2011 at 01:18 PM

Yeah pity to pull apart but if you can get i key cut problem solvered. You'll have to know what it end up costing you with price postage and re machining costs so we can see if its worth the cheaper price...
Cheers


vlad01 - July 1st, 2011 at 06:32 PM

Thats why I buy everything nos or great cond 2nd now.
See :smilegrin: Don't mind the fogginess of the light as there is an oily coating on the inside of the glass, reflector is 98.97% perfect!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/vladk01/100_0740.jpg

this puppy cost me 188 euro landed and I still have to get a rhd lens for it lol :lol: another matching headlight on its way from the states yay!
ah the things I resort to because I hate bs Chinese parts that much.


dangerous - July 2nd, 2011 at 05:17 AM

Can you take a picture of the shaft and alternator?
The ND Japan alternator that I use on my drag car uses no key at all,
as did the superchargers I used to run.
The adjacent bearing/spacer was used to clamp the face of the pulley's shoulder,
and only friction was required to drive.
All this means nothing if the shaft's bearing shoulder is only small, in which case a key way will be needed.
Lets hope it is not too hard a material to machine!


68AutoBug - July 2nd, 2011 at 01:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HappyDaze
Sorry to butt in on your thread, Chris, but while I'm waiting for Matt, it may be a good time to ask if anyone has any spare REAR negative camber they don't need? It must be swing-axle neg., not that double-joint crap! I need about 2.5 degrees of it, and will gladly pay postage.



I just threw out 3 degrees of negative camber....
I didn't think I'd ever need it any more...'
with IRS rear end..
I also have 2 degrees of front RH positive camber if any one needs it... lol

LEE


68AutoBug - July 2nd, 2011 at 01:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vlad01
Thats why I buy everything nos or great cond 2nd now.
See :smilegrin: Don't mind the fogginess of the light as there is an oily coating on the inside of the glass, reflector is 98.97% perfect!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/vladk01/100_0740.jpg

this puppy cost me 188 euro landed and I still have to get a rhd lens for it lol :lol: another matching headlight on its way from the states yay!
ah the things I resort to because I hate bs Chinese parts that much.


YIKES Vlad
way too much money...
Perfect glass and chromed rims are very cheap in Australia
and You can get the reflector rechromed for much less than 188 Euros...

Lee


HappyDaze - July 2nd, 2011 at 04:29 PM

You shouldn't chrome reflectors, Lee......either silver or rhodium.


68AutoBug - July 3rd, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HappyDaze
You shouldn't chrome reflectors, Lee......either silver or rhodium.


My Son had His 55 beetle headlamp reflectors chromed

excellent job...
but large thumb prints on the chrome...??

what sort of people work at these places??

XD falcons had the plastic reflectors panted silver... lol

chrome is much better than silver paint....

and chrome I believe is much tougher then silver or rhodium
You couldn' t touch them with Your fingers...
and if You did You couldn;t wipe the reflectors as they would tarnish very easily...

LEE