I know that I asked a question about fuel injection a week ago, but does anyone know a good engineer or technician or mechanic who can inject a beetle? I have a type 4 engine

Jimmy

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Hey Bros, I am currently located in Melbourne. Do you guys know who does injection?

Sorry Jim only places in Sydney

What is the cost roughly to do this

not cheap The really late and current mex beetles use fuel injection, although if u want to go aftermarket it will prob cost a couple of grand at least

Hunt around for the stock type 4 fuel injection system. Manifolds, injectors, fuel rail, wiring loom, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, plenum chamber, throttle body/airflow sensor and 'computer' are some of the bits you'll need.

If you use stock parts, you won't need a specialist to help you, it's all in the workshop manual. :thumb

Hi

I have Autronic SMC on my bug, the basic unit is $1800 plus you need injectors, manifolds, fuel pumps etc. It really adds up and if you have to pay someone else to do it the price will really go up. Im pretty sure that you can buy the Mexican unit but it would not be programble like any other stock system.

1302Steve

brad(buggy boys) has a complete fuel injetcetd 2 ltr kombi motor for sale running very well for $1000 up here in sunny qld
marcel:thumb

I got a quote of $3300 drive in drive out for EFI...
Not sure what gear was being used tho...

Theres a good article on injection in the December 01 Total VW mag. Mainly covers installing late mexican injected engine into Beetles using the standard factory injection gear. To over come tuning problems a socket is solderted into the ECU (Black Box) to allow tuning with a lap top and rechipping. :thumb

members.aol.com/_ht_a/dvandrews/ems.htm##basics

before spending bucket loads of the mortgage paying stuff, be sure you understand what you're getting and that it's at least better than stock injection.

That's a good link. Here's another of interest.
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/phil.bradshaw/EFI%20Operation.htm

After a bit of research you'll see it's cheaper to put a complete EFI jap motor in your VW rather than trying to put EFI on your VW motor.

while we are on this subject does anyone know if the L- jetronic system as used on the 2 litre type 4 motors will work on a high po engine?
has anyone attempted this?

No idea, but I'd like to find out!

Are you sure it was L-Jetronic? I was always under the impression that it was Bosch D-Jetronic...

no definately L- jetronic. i have been looking for info on this system. its very simple but i dont know whether it can be tuned for perfomance
can anyone help me out here?

have you been to the shoptalk forum-fuel injection they talk about this stuff endlessly,D-jet L-jet and any other jet you like aftermarket as well,enjoy.

Hi

The L jetronic on the 76 Kombis was good in its day but it offered no ignition control. L jetronic gets its name from the L shaped flap in the air cleaner.

Most late aftermarket systems are very good and offer a wide range of adjustment, I just cant see how you could get any motor to run properly on an adapted stock system if it differed in any way from the stock motor. When looking for an aftermarket system you need to buy a system that your local dyno guy is familiar with otherwise you will spend lots of money for the dyno guy to learn a new system. You also need to examine why you want EFI? You can get almost as good results from carbs, its only when you want to push the envelope a bit that EFI shines, like when using a turbo or looking for that last bit of perfomance.

I cant tell you how good it is not to have to do the idle jet clean and carb sync almost every month.

1302Steve

hey thanks steve, im looking at this setup due to high costs of carbies/ aftermarket injection. i think early volvos used the injection and i have seen it on a worked engine.

I have worked in stock vw fuel injection systems for years and I really don't like them for performance use. Check out www.cbperformance.com they have a complete kit that performs really well and it is a simple system. It also looks like you have a set of big dual carbs!

hey thanks a lot guys at least i know where im going now. looks like it back to the drawing board

I have recently injected my T4 here in Sydney. I am no mechanic, and with a little help from Jeff Unwin (Hellbug) I got the job done in 2 days. It was $$$ but the difference in driving is out of sight....go for it. I went with Haltech PFI and will soon be doing the ignition the same as well. Another trip to the Dyno and the 2L is going to sing a sweeter song!

I think the expense counter acts the hassel of tuning carbs!

looks like you went to the right place. i've got $$$ aftermarket injection done too, and it hesitates kicks and stalls.

are you using the stock dual advance distributor?
how is your air volume metered?
do you have any choke setup?

it's a microtech mt-4

Hi

Some tuners in the US are using the CSI from Porsches, Audi & VWs. It might prove to be cheap alternative.

http://www.sandrail.com/millerfi/ 

1302Steve

I think you'll find, unless you're a machine-code whiz kid, that the cost of getting a chip for these will far outweigh the cost of one of the locally produced aftermarket ECUs (look up Haltech, Wolf, Autronic.)

The CIS system doesnt need a chip, it measures airflow, no electronics involved.

i got your message, i'll give you a call.:thumb

It was indeed L-Jetronic, I stand corrected.

I'll have to have a word with my mechanic about that....

I recently picked up the entire EFI system from a caravelle water cooled van. I got the fuel pump, complete loom, digijet ecu, injectors, all sensors and TB, basically everything out of the engine bay. it cost $500. Oh, I got a dismantled 1.9L watercooled motor (dismantled) and 5sp transaxle thrown in!

Check out Zoom magazine, as they tout delco efi from the 2.0L multi point camira (how about that, they ARE good for something!) as easily adaptable to pretty much anything, and then is very tuneable to any dynotuner with access to the kalmaker software (apparently not uncommon these days).

And considering you can get camiras from between $400 to a case of beer. it doesnt matter how flogged or rusty the camira is, the EFI will still be good!