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sorenluckins - November 12th, 2012 at 06:33 PM

Hi All.

Just looking for some general advice and views on the project Im about to embark on. Have just finished a race car restoration and some more experienced views made life a lot easier so thought Id try my luck here too for my next project...

Ive got a basket case T34 I bought on this forum, very rusty and Im planning a low and fast, very non original resto custom.

At this stage Im thinking;

A. Either a Porsche 6 cylinder (3.2 litre) or alternatively a Type 4. Both are expensive I know but I want something quick... Any thoughts?

B. Lowering, Id love to go for air suspension so I can slam it or run it around town and not worry about speed humps etc... Or alternatively Ive been reading about a few dropped spindle options etc...

C. Has anyone successfully installed an air-con kit like the ICEAC type kits as Im keen to do this also.

Any tips or advice appreciated.
SL

Whitty - November 12th, 2012 at 06:44 PM

My favourite saying from this forum when someone asks about porsche motors in a vw is - the ones that fit don't go, and the ones that go don't fit. Take from that what you want...:lol:

cam070 - November 12th, 2012 at 06:50 PM

Have you considered an EJ20T, plenty of potential power and cheap

sorenluckins - November 12th, 2012 at 07:39 PM

Thanks but yeah the Subaru option doesn't really do it for me..

barls - November 12th, 2012 at 08:03 PM

one of the melbourne boys has a flat 6 in theirs.cant remember who though

vlad01 - November 12th, 2012 at 08:09 PM

your best bet to talk to Jake Raby for a type 4 engine. be prepared to wait a long time and empty your wallet!

and you either need to find someone here in Oz thats got good and reputable experience installing Raby engines (I only know of one) or send the car to him in the states.

Either way ,if you want it to go like no other and be reliable and properly installed you have no other choice.

If I was you and was looking at splashing out on a Porsche engine, i would go the Raby type 4 path instead.

btw he does suby engines now, but I don't want to go into details as it would just be speculations.

whathaveidone - November 12th, 2012 at 08:19 PM

Try WPVW
They speialise in type4 conversions

newghia - November 12th, 2012 at 08:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by barls
one of the melbourne boys has a flat 6 in theirs.cant remember who though


Dean.... Grey 57 I think..... Have a look on the type 34 register

He might be at "Day Of" in Melbourne ,
the weekend of the 25th, as will mine...& it's not stock either !

Sounds like a great idea by the way

Nath

Grey 57 - November 12th, 2012 at 09:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by barls
one of the melbourne boys has a flat 6 in theirs.cant remember who though


me. Its a 2.4ltr mfi. i will find the member ride thread and link it for you.
happy to help with any info.
here is the members ride thread - http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=33898#pid901701 

Will be at the Day of the VW. the Ghia wont be this year tho.

Grey 57 - November 12th, 2012 at 09:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Whitty
My favourite saying from this forum when someone asks about porsche motors in a vw is - the ones that fit don't go, and the ones that go don't fit. Take from that what you want...:lol:


this is true. But you can get a 912 motor to go pretty hard these days. But they dont have that nice 911 sound.
There is fair bit of engineering involved in fitting the 6. Dry sump & oil tank, extra weight, lots of clearancing of the engine bay in a Type 34. Outer panels too. Gearbox option needs to be considered too. Best to go with 915. More cutting and fabricating. Nothing that hasnt been done before tho.

sorenluckins - November 13th, 2012 at 05:35 PM

Thanks Dean. Think I have your number so might follow up in the next few weeks or see you at the Day Of in a fortnight. I stopped at a Porsche wrecker today in mordialloc that has plenty of 3.6's from 90's model 911's on the shelf, the scariest looking part is the wiring and how that would be managed...

ian.mezz - November 13th, 2012 at 05:49 PM

fuel, deans vw/porsche loves the stuff :lol:

ian.mezz - November 13th, 2012 at 05:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by cam070
Have you considered an EJ20T, plenty of potential power and cheap


heaps good on fuel,easy to get spare parts and find mech to work on the motor amd the option to run AIR CON.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnEJiY3yEWk&feature=channel&list=UL 

Dasdubber - November 13th, 2012 at 07:16 PM

Nice talking to you today Soren, as mentioned anything is possible with time and money (you know this from your race car build I'd imagine!). The options can be confusing but is important to establish a clear vision for the project early on, and determine the priority of usage (cool slammed streeter with a bit of power on tap vs maximum power set up for mostly straight lines vs circuit race inspired chassis and reliable power to suit). All applications will require a very different approach to the build. If a clear vision is not cemented early on, changes throughout the process will end up costing a lot with redesigns etc etc.

Do lots of research, lots of planning.....then lots of spending....and eventually you'll have lots of fun ;) (although for me the build is most of the fun!)
Al

Grey 57 - November 13th, 2012 at 09:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ian.mezz
fuel, deans vw/porsche loves the stuff :lol:


very true. best is about 12ltrs/100. Highway running means stopping for fuel every 250ks:grind:
Have a feeway flyer gearbox that has been sitting in the shed for 3 years or more that might fix its thirst a little. But these early 70's MFI motors are known for heavy drinking.

The mid to late 70's 2.7 CIS motors are more economical. But they still have the lighter magnesium case. 3.0's have a heavier aluminium case.
2.7's are pretty cheap (relatively) than the early mag motors (2.0. 2.2 & 2.4's) and the later aluminium motor.

Grey 57 - November 13th, 2012 at 09:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sorenluckins
Thanks Dean. Think I have your number so might follow up in the next few weeks or see you at the Day Of in a fortnight. I stopped at a Porsche wrecker today in mordialloc that has plenty of 3.6's from 90's model 911's on the shelf, the scariest looking part is the wiring and how that would be managed...


most important thing is to make sure you get the correct fuel pump for what ever motor you go with. The pumps generally match up with the carbs or injection system used.

There are a lot of wires even with the 1972 2.4ltr MFI motor in my T34. Cold start systems, temp controls, fuel shut off switches and valves, and then the ignition system. Nothing to be too scared about.

I live bayside too. Come over for a beer sometime , bring your camera and take plently of pics of my set up.

sorenluckins - November 15th, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Thanks all.
Been doing some more research into the 3.6 litre Porsche option..
Aside from being expensive which is a given, it seems to be a bloody good reliable engine with 280HP.

However I cant believe there are no VW's with Boxster engines around?
$3-5k for an all alloy relatively lightweight 2.5-3.4 litre engine with an easy 250HP?

Anyway onwards with more planning.
Cheers

vlad01 - November 15th, 2012 at 01:37 PM

well thats coz the boxster engine is a ticking time bomb, most don't make it past 50k without catastrophic failure unless you consider flat 6 innovation's (collaboration with Raby enterprise, no surprise there :D) boxster engine or their M96 or M97 engine which have also been fixed from the factory ticking time bomb problems. Plus their engines are unkillable and go way harder than stock.



the only reliable engines without total re-engineering them is the aircooled 993 and prior engines even the 964 engines are great.