im lookinf at spraying my schwinn spitfire matt black with flames, but to keep the paint on the bike i was thinking of adding a top clear coat, just wondering if this will effect the matt paint? sorry, i know it isnt a vw, but it is way cool and it will (hopefully) travel aus with me on the back of my bus, so that sotra counts doesnt it?

later this year im planning to respray my yzf matt blk to match my bus.... but yes apparently if you clear coat it you will loose the matt blk effect. the other option is the get a flattening agent for your normal paint... apparently this can be done. well so ive been led to believe.

I thinking of going matt black with my bug !! Not allowed on the misses kombi !! And when and if finish the oval it gonna be black also just not matt. but just my daily ride for now....
Should be fun.....
:vader

use 2k black primer......or ford gt matt black.but if you use a clear coat will become shiny,if its got somr type of dulling to it i think you will still lose that matt look,maybe it will be more satin finish

Yep, it's the top coat that produces the shine. If you just went matt, you'd find it would get shiny where your legs rub against the bar, and eventually wear off. You can get a pretty good satin in urethane, though.

you can get matte finish clear coats too!

or use John Deere tractor paints... matte finish but very durable!

John Deere paints. Makes me think of...

Hmmm, Beer.

:beer:beer:beer:beer:beer

maybe Il have to go gloss black, probably look better with the flames anyway.

matte with gloss flames is the best! a coat of matt clear before the flames incase of srew ups and then some clear over after flames...

hey
whats needed in the application of matte paints??? same prep and steps as painting with 2K or acrylic??
cheers
rhys

Ive just completed it, matt stuck really well on a cheap kmart undercoat, really nice tuff surface as well. will post a pic soon just to show u.

I've never seen Black undercoat - where do you get that from?

sorry, my bad english. used filler-undercoat (orangy) then added a couple of coats of matt black auto paint from Kmart. awesome surface

.Use black finish with flatener added, most primers and undercoats are porus>rust and most mat aor satin finishes are not Ultra Violet stable and go chalky .With flattened finish you can polish too and not end up with patchyness.
MitCHeLl

I have been considering painting my 67 bus in gmh black but I am concerned that it will make the splitty so stupidly hot inside that it will be unbearable, I cant afford to buy safaris and we're talking about a windowless drum of heat.
The few windows there are that actually open are only ever a half assed open at best.
Who else here has a black bus and how do you find the heat, and do you live in Queensland? What about black but with a white or silver roof?
Any Comments?
I would like to eventually paint it dark mettalic green and then silver on top but couldnt be bothered getting it all perfect at this stage but flat black will hide a multitude of sins and I like that, Its too daggy to leave as it is and get a roadworthy and not original enough to be a good rat look, or maybe it is,
It was a pmg van and so some of it is red, {inside} except where someone painted the dash yellow with an enamelly looking paint, a white roof except where the white has fallen off to reveal the pmg red and then greyish arond the belt and then a caramelish colour under the powdery surface below.
might be ok if it has no road clearance

damn Im lazy, finally got around to taking some shots of the bike. PS: the green one is for sale, unridden custom $500 obo.

damn Im lazy, finally got around to taking some shots of the bike. PS: the green one is for sale, unridden custom $500 obo.

O.K hear is the drum.
Yes you can get matt black paint or satin.
No you don't have to put a clear over it
No not all clears are full gloss out of the tin.

What you need is a 2 pack acrylic polyurethane (needs to be exterior grade), normaly from industrial spray paint suppliers not automotive.


Prepare the car as you would normaly using auto highbuild primer, but use a 2 pack system cut it down with at least 800 grit wet and dry 400 will be quicker and matt finishes will hide a multitude of sins.
You shouldn't any more that about $20.00 per ltr for black and about the same for the hardner, its actulay cheeper than auto primer.

How do I know this is correct, quite simply my buisness is commercial and industrial spray painting, auto painters wouldn't have a clue about the stuff.

If you need any more info about application or contacts on where to get this stuff from let me and I'll source out a few contacts down your way.

there are a few ways you can do it. you can get a matt 2pac in direct gloss or clear over base. any good paint shop will be able to get this for you

I would myself do it this way and not with industrial paint as the finish is not as good as automotive paints.. now i know this i am a paint sprayer and I do know what i am talking about. Just cuz i paint cars and not great big industrial crap does not mean i don't know what i am talking about. Truth be known i probably know more about industrial paints as i am skilled in IMRON 6000 which is for trains etc etc etc which is teflon based .. sorry lowbug u have a shitty attitude, i don't bag out other peoples work/jobs unless they try to ridicule my job. i have worked bloody hard for many years doing what i do and i take great pride in my work and knowlege of my trade. sorry if i offend anyone or upset them but seeing things like that annoys me.....

OK you are probably one of the very few that have touched on industrial coatings. And I don't have a shitty attitude Iv'e seen many auto painters struggle with other systems. the commercial materials that are available today are as good most auto and Ive seen better too, and why complicate a simple matt finish with COB systems not to mention the cost facter the guy is probably going to want to do it himself, and probably in his back yard. He's going to need somthing that going to flash off fast.

We are talking about acrylic urethanes not polyestor or epoxy or non isosyonate materials. Any time you add flatting base to a material its going to cause premature brake down of the surface ask and chemist. Its going to have to be recaoted in a couple of years in its left out out in the weather.

And as you have used industrial materials so have I used automotive, things like COB systems Pearls and PPG's Harliquen.

What you have missed here is that we are all trying to help someone to a little DIY, and its only a pushbike man he could get a spray can from K-mart

lowbug 'n' dubcrazy

It's gotta a good ring to it!:kiss!

I still don't know what I'm gonna do!!!!!

I have my Fasty (posted in members rides as "going through yet another phase" or something like that) in undercoat, now all rubbed back in 800 and 4 litres of gmh black in a tin all ready to go for tomorrow.

I should mention that I have started and with the intent on completing the job with an Electrolux vacumm cleaner and an oversized airbrush!!!

Flattening agent sounds like a good thing to me, but what is it and where can I purchase such a thing?

[Edited on 11-10-2003 by vw_carrera]

Herbie
Painting it black, even matt black is going to show a ll the dents and imperfections.
The darker the colour the better the bodywork needs to be

Any color shows any dent unless you are vision impaired:P:P:P:P:P:P

But anyways, I have been speaking with a spray painter and he says that if you mix talcum powder in with clear it will make the top coat dull!

Yup - Talcum Powder!

So I'm a gonna try it

Just try your local auto paint shop for flattening agent, I had the paint for my car custom mixed with flattening agent, both colours had the same ratio, so they both came out with the same sheen, I didn't bother with a clear coat and its lasted great!

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That's a real nice color combo PB, is that with the flattening agent? Because it doesn't seem to have much of a shine, but too much shine for what I want.

And I spoke to another paint specialist and says that putting a dulling agent such as talcum powder makes the paint too weak???

But I'm still yet to come across this flattening agent stuff

I once knew a guy named Matt Black.

If he dosent have a bug its not worth talking bout him:P