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L7back - October 16th, 2013 at 04:08 PM

This question is for people that have fitted higher powered engines (1916cc and higher) to early model Beetles, pre 1967. What disc brake conversion kits are available that are legal? Cost is not an issue.


Aussie Dubbin - October 16th, 2013 at 09:41 PM

Csp do a nice and pricey kit front and rear with interchangeable pcd plates


nils - October 17th, 2013 at 04:55 AM

But they are still not legal out of the box. will still come down to the discretion of the engineer.

This question comes up every month. either spend time and money with an engineer or run the gauntlet. but there are no bolt on legal ( with paperwork) brakes


vw54 - October 17th, 2013 at 05:00 AM

VVDS has a set up that's legal here in aussie


nils - October 17th, 2013 at 05:07 AM

That I did not know:blush:

would have bought some:sniffle:
bummer


vwo60 - October 17th, 2013 at 09:03 AM

With all the brake kits available you would think that the resellers would sell them complied so the customer does not have to get them engineered, my engineer told me he has tested kits that have less braking force that the standard brakes and there fore will not pass them, other engineers pass empi brakes that use a caliper bracket made from a piece of bake bean tin, when i made my set up for my early car one of the design criteria was that the caliper bracket was made from 12MM plate,
Just ask any reseller you are concidering purchasing the brakes from to point you in the direction of a engineer that they use , then see if you can legally have them complied, it is always a good idea to use as much propority parts as possible, if you use the standard caliper and four stud rotor all you have to engineer is the caliper bracket and then have them tested.


L7back - October 17th, 2013 at 03:23 PM

Please excuse my ignorance but who is VVFS ? I was looking at these, which I would have to get engineered,

http://www.airkewld.com/category-s/1831.htm?searching=Y&sort=13&cat=1...

from the US but I thought there may be a similar kit available locally. Maybe a Porsche kit?


1303Steve - October 17th, 2013 at 04:12 PM

Birchall was having senior moment, he meant Vintage Vee Dub Supplies in Campsie


1303Steve - October 17th, 2013 at 04:26 PM

btw that airkewld kit uses Willwood callipers, I don't think they would be legal for road use in Australia, as I understand it the callipers must be OEM.

I was even told not to use a Willwood calliper as a handbrake calliper on a previous car by an RTA engineer.


Governor - October 17th, 2013 at 04:37 PM

If money is no object may I suggest 356 drums, they are not discs but they would be a lot better than stock and bolt straight on and correct me if I am wrong, I would imagine they might not need engineering? Dont quote me on that.
As I dont know your states regs.


vlad01 - October 18th, 2013 at 08:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vwo60
With all the brake kits available you would think that the resellers would sell them complied so the customer does not have to get them engineered, my engineer told me he has tested kits that have less braking force that the standard brakes and there fore will not pass them, other engineers pass empi brakes that use a caliper bracket made from a piece of bake bean tin, when i made my set up for my early car one of the design criteria was that the caliper bracket was made from 12MM plate,
Just ask any reseller you are concidering purchasing the brakes from to point you in the direction of a engineer that they use , then see if you can legally have them complied, it is always a good idea to use as much propority parts as possible, if you use the standard caliper and four stud rotor all you have to engineer is the caliper bracket and then have them tested.


I think the 12mm plate is a good idea, but I note that a lot of OEM used bake bean can brackets as well, mostly on the rear. Most I have seen are around 4-6mm thick, pressed steel bracket.


cnfabo - October 18th, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Try get hold of glen Torrens"vwcool"he does approved barks kits

Fabo


vlad01 - October 18th, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by cnfabo
Try get hold of glen Torrens"vwcool"he does approved barks kits

Fabo


yes they are probably one of the best if not the best.


Craig Torrens - October 18th, 2013 at 03:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by L7back
This question is for people that have fitted higher powered engines (1916cc and higher) to early model Beetles, pre 1967. What disc brake conversion kits are available that are legal? Cost is not an issue.


What stud pattern do you want to use ?


L7back - October 18th, 2013 at 05:05 PM

5 x 205mm link pin. On a 1959 Beetle.

PM Sent


66deluxe - October 19th, 2013 at 06:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by L7back
5 x 205mm link pin. On a 1959 Beetle.

PM Sent


I have a set of front disc brakes from VVDS for sale. Been used for 1000km. Selling for $600 plus shipping. These are 5x205 PCD.


Uber Kafer - October 19th, 2013 at 02:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by L7back
Please excuse my ignorance but who is VVFS ? I was looking at these, which I would have to get engineered,

http://www.airkewld.com/category-s/1831.htm?searching=Y&sort=13&cat=1...

from the US but I thought there may be a similar kit available locally. Maybe a Porsche kit?


regarding the airkewld product, do some research on thesamba.com and shoptalkforums before you commit.


vwo60 - October 19th, 2013 at 04:12 PM

I cannot work out why airkewld brake are so expensive, do not even have a vented rotor for that price, with a perforance brake set up you should expect them to have vented rotors


hus22l - June 18th, 2014 at 06:52 AM

Would there be compatibility issues with local disc brake kits, like the ones suggested above (vwcool), when used with an Airkewld narrowed link pin beam?

I am looking for a safe brake upgrade for an Airkewld link pin beam .. Wide 5.


Governor - June 18th, 2014 at 07:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by hus22l
Would there be compatibility issues with local disc brake kits, like the ones suggested above (vwcool), when used with an Airkewld narrowed link pin beam?

I am looking for a safe brake upgrade for an Airkewld link pin beam .. Wide 5.


If by safe you mean legal ! Then you would have as many problems with getting your "narrowed beam" engineered!!


hus22l - June 18th, 2014 at 07:51 AM

No, by safe I mean stop better than stock, so when I put a high powered engine, (most likely unengineered too) the car will stop.

This is not the "illegal items thread". Maybe you could turn your focus there Governor.

Anyway, It also has drop spindles too which I forgot to mention.


barls - June 18th, 2014 at 08:06 AM

actually the op asked the question on which ones are legal out of the box so it actually is that thread.


hus22l - June 18th, 2014 at 09:03 AM

Ok, yes but the thread has moved on from there as that has been addressed. Should I start a new thread ? I'm just trying to keep related issues together. Let me know Barls