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Registering buggy?

dekkerboy - December 21st, 2009 at 09:12 PM

I've got a buggy with no complience plates how do i go about getting it registered? (looks like manx but a little different)

Smiley - December 21st, 2009 at 10:10 PM

If you're in QLD and have no proof of previous rego then ICV is the only way to go. And that is basically opening up a huge money pit.

Smiley

dekkerboy - December 22nd, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Thankyou i will look into it.

Bizarre - December 22nd, 2009 at 01:42 PM

I dont think the compliance plate matter as such
My beetle doesnt have any

But if you dont have proof of previous registration then give up now

Joel - December 22nd, 2009 at 01:42 PM

im sure QLD is the same as the others now, without previous rego details they wont re-register shortened floorpan vehicles

like smiley said ICV rules is a world of hurt

most buggys these days are only usefull as shooting buggys/strip cars thanks to this

tar76 - December 22nd, 2009 at 02:25 PM

Yeah we need to do take these bull sh@% laws on!

dekkerboy - December 22nd, 2009 at 06:21 PM

Ok so is their any hope.............

Smiley - December 22nd, 2009 at 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by dekkerboy
Ok so is their any hope.............

Sure, save about 40 grand then build it as an ICV.

Or buy another one that has proof of rego.

Other than that I'm afraid you're pretty much out of luck.

Smiley

dekkerboy - December 23rd, 2009 at 01:20 PM

Thanks i am taking it down to check for previous rego today. Thanks for all the help.

barls - December 23rd, 2009 at 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by tar76
Yeah we need to do take these bull sh@% laws on!

i think you will find there was a very good reason for this law. ie the cut and shut operations that were in place

Smiley - December 25th, 2009 at 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by barls

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Originally posted by tar76
Yeah we need to do take these bull sh@% laws on!

i think you will find there was a very good reason for this law. ie the cut and shut operations that were in place

Barls makes a good point, unless you do the chop really well all sorts of things can go wrong. And if it was perfectly legal and easy to register a SWB pan think of how many dodgy backyard jobs would be crabbing down the road and snapping themselves in half on dunes all over the country.

Plus because you can't build them anymore it means that owning an original registered Buggy makes you part of a sort of exclusive club. The reason why buggies are so loved and attractive is because they are so fun and different and rare and unquie. I doubt they would be half as cool if every man and his dog owned one.

Smiley

waveman1500 - January 20th, 2010 at 05:35 PM

How difficult is it to register a buggy based on a stock (LWB) Beetle pan? I don't have a body but I've got the crashed Beetle to start with! It would be great if I could just weld on a roll-cage and get it registered as a re-bodied vehicle, in a similar style to this (legally registered in the UK, although it was produced as a kit called the Fugitive):

I've read the NCOP for light vehicle modifications and it doesn't really say that a roll cage with perhaps a few bits of flat sheet metal or fibreglass can't constitute a vehicle body. Note that my floorpan is a 1970 so it has pre-1971 ADRs applied to it. Failing that, are there any reasonably priced (used) LWB buggy bodies around? I can imagine that they might be a bit hard to find.

dbryar - January 20th, 2010 at 06:01 PM

Stock LWB pan and something like a MaxFX body is registerable, and not too difficult. Best to get in touch with beachbuggy.com.au or customveedub.com.au for the bits and pieces you will need to make it meet the minimum specs. Having a beetle (donor car) handy will certainly make it easier to find parts.

As for the Fugitive, you can't register things like that in Aus. Whatever you put on the road needs to meet the minimum safety standards for a Safety Certificate (aka RWC), ADR complianced or not.

waveman1500 - January 20th, 2010 at 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by dbryarAs for the Fugitive, you can't register things like that in Aus. Whatever you put on the road needs to meet the minimum safety standards for a Safety Certificate (aka RWC), ADR complianced or not.

Thanks for the reply. My question would be though, what are those safety standards? Where can I see them in writing? The NCOP is extremely brief with regards to bodywork, and I'm not sure what other resources I would find the information in. We don't have RWCs or similar in South Australia.

barls - January 21st, 2010 at 05:43 AM

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/index.aspx

dbryar - January 21st, 2010 at 01:37 PM

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The NCOP docs all needs to read together to work out what you can and cannot have on the road. Because you are modifying a Beetle, it still needs to have more-or-less the same equipment that the standard beetle has, including a body. It just so happens that prior to the nanny governments of the 90's and beyond, people got Manx's, J&S, etc. registered on the road so there is now a precedent for allowing them to be registered with minimal fuss. Without the precedent, you are in to ICV territory, and then you need to meet the ADRs applicable at the time of construction.

While it may be technically plausible to register something like the Fugitive, no Engineer is going to say it meets the ADRs or safety requirements in 2010. For a start, you must cover the wheels to the axle line (at the rear).

The closest thing that is a registerable car, pre 1971, is a Manx Tow'd, and they are as rare as rocking horse shit.

pete wood - February 10th, 2010 at 09:29 AM

there is a whole stack of things about rego troubles buggies have that just don't make sense when you compare it to some of the motorbike and hotrod stuff that passes for 'registered' round the traps. my advice is, start calling engineers who've passed buggies before and talk to them first. at the end of the day, it has to be their signature that allows you to get through and if you get the right guy, he'll be open minded enough to keep you safe while letting you keep some cool factor and individuality. QLD seems to be the tight-wad state when it comes to buggy rego, but all sorts of things have been done by all sorts of people so start asking. Join the manx club too if you are up that way. What I will say is this, it's a whole lot easier to get a buggy (of any sort) regoed on a standard pan than a shortened one.... and they handlle better anyway.
Re the fugitive, Bill Croft at Unicap ( http://www.motec.com.au/dealers/dealersau/ scroll down) had a tube frame buggy road registered about 15 years back just to prove it could be done. Maybe talk to him, he may be a little cagey about it, but he's a good guy. Personally, with a VW pan under it, the right body work and some cycle fenders, I can't see why you couldn't do it. Probably be a darn sight safer than a manx too.