Does anyone have measurements of the 2.

I'm thinking of doing a EJ20T into a Bay. Small turbo for driveability down low.

Some of you may also have opinions regarding 22 - 20T in bays so I'm open to that also. Love to know torque/HP/rev range of the two also for a comparison.

Brendan

Arrrgh sorry Brendan... I have this info somewhere at home, but keep forgetting to answer.

Actaully I'm surprised no one else has come forth with the info.

From memory the EJ22 is about 750mm ish wide. It is actually narrower than the older EA82! It is slightly longer though 450mm (?)

The DOHC EJ20's are considerably larger around the heads, so work out wider, but I can't remember by how much. The widest part is the cam pulleys right at the front of the engine... or right at the back of a Beetle / Kombi engine bay. These also have the coil packs on the heads- so something else to get to right on the sides of the engine. The EJ22 has a coil pack on top of the motor so nothing awkwardly placed on the sides to get to.

Cheers
Jeremy

Some pics of my bay EJ22 conversion here

http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=38417 

Thanks for the response guys.
I thought the EJ20 was wider around the cam pulleys but wasn't sure. The coil packs are also definately a consideration although wouldn't they sit below the interfering metalwork (perhaps conversion to remote coils as Speedster356 has done) .
Peter I have been following your posts with keen interest and whilst I don't own a Kombi yet I anticipate purchasing one in the next two weeks and getting started straight away.

I wonder if anyone has done a EJ20T into a bus yet. The torque of the 22 is tempting but the boost of the 20T sounds fun (I've ridden in Jak Rizzo's 1302). The only thing would be to not have a large turbo and have the boost come on lower. (open to opinions here good or bad)

Do you think the the Turbo would foul the fuel tank and need to be relocated with a intake manifold reversal/turbo-intercooler remount/alternator relocation? Sounds like a lot of work but I get a kick out of fabrication.

Your thoughts on how much (if any) metal would need to be removed to fit a 20T would be appreciated.

Regards
Brendan

JVL,
I don't want to run a big turbo. I would want to get the performance down to a rev range where it is useable. Jak suggested a TD04. This Kombi will be used for getting me and my surfboard to the beach and some "sleeper" fun.

The green bug below is getting some steel wheels and the 2110 is being replaced with a 1600TP for my daughter's first car. The Kombi wil become my plaything. I may subi the beetle when she moves onto her own car in the future.

I'd love to know how much cutting will be required in the Kombi engine bay.

Having said that are all bay window engine bays the same dimensions?

Brendan

The earlier Bays which ran the 1600 motor have smaller engine bays.

I may be wrong but I think Paul and Matt have TD04s. Could your mate's problem have been due to his particular installation and not with TD04s in general? I'm by no means a turbo expert and what ever comes with the engine is probably what I will go with first, TD04 or 05.

The Kombi will be a microbus with seats removed or a Pvan with a couple added at a later stage. Looking to keep the weight down.

Brendan

Thanks for the tip JVL. Do you know what turbo the Liberty EJ20Ts came with?

Squizy, I'm still looking. Pretty much gone off the camper idea. At my age weekends away entail an innerspring mattress! Got a couple of possibilities but got to be carefull that a twin cam will fit before I buy.

Brendan

I ran the TD04 (auto version WRX ) and had no real problems, boost came on early and it supported 145Kw at the rears with no problem. I did kill the TD04 in the end after trying to run sustained big boost (>16psi) and short bursts to 21.............

Bren, go with the advice I gave u, A: it was free & B: I'm pretty confident u will be estatic with the results.
I'm coming over with the radiator.........
:thumbJak

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Originally posted by speedster356 I ran the TD04 (auto version WRX ) and had no real problems, boost came on early and it supported 145Kw at the rears with no problem. I did kill the TD04 in the end after trying to run sustained big boost (>16psi) and short bursts to 21.............

Brendans breif for what he wants for the Kombi was a reliable daily driver with alot more oomph & bang for your buck than a vw engine, so why the would he want to, need to run anything like 16 pounds + of boost?
Bren, if u do decide to get the EJ20Tas apposed to the ej22, make sure that they give u one with the TD04, it makes peak tourqe 1200rpm earlier than the TD05 & comes on boost almost 500rpm earlier & with simple mods can be made to come on even earlier. It does run out of puff much earlier but how fast do u want to go in your Kombi, or get the kneeboard to the beach..........forget that last question....
Just run the boost at wastegate pressure as I have & keep it simple, quiet, fuel efficient & reliable, sure it's only $850 to go get another engine, but how often do u want to be doing that? My approach may be a little understated in terms of what u can get out of the subaru engine, but then again, who else has an EJ20T conversion running around daily & what I would consider, successfully?
Just to throw a spanner in the works, Bren have u considered a EJ25 out of the Forresters? I think they are quad cam , no turbo setup with masses of tourqe, perfect for a laiden kombi?
regards
Jak

Jak,
Have you ever thought of becoming a financial advisor? I recon you'd do pretty well. You have hit the nail on the head.... reliable daily driver with plenty under the fun pedal.

Thanks everyone for your advice though. It is good to get differing opinions to match them for what a vehicle will be used for.

The Kombi won't be a race car however I will add rear disc brakes and probably lower it to handle a bit better.

I may EJ20T the green bug in a year or so after I get it back from my daughter....then we will be back here talking about super sprints.

Brendan

Imagine for a second Turn 1 at Eastern Creek in a Kombi! The result would make the DoDo Crapadore rollover look like a shopping centre car park reversing bingle!

A question for all the Kombi experts. If I have to widen the engine bay to fit the twin cam EJ20T in, how much can I cut out before I hit sub-frame/bumper mounting points? This is for both the upright engine and type 4 models.

Regards

Brendan

Hi

Its all sheet metal until you get to battery area, virtually the size of the the engine lid, heaps of room.

Steve

Thanks Steve. I just got off the phone to CORC. Very helpfull they are. No problems with width or length of a EJ20 into a 68 - 78 Kombi. The turbo is a different matter though. It may foul the bulkhead behind the fuel tank. On their site they have a picture of their installed exhaust system which shows almost 3 inches of clearance between the EJ22 valve cover and existing bodywork. I don't have a problem with turning the intake manifold and turbo around and relocating the alternator.

Brendan

Hey mate,

The Liberty EJ20T's came with different turbos depending on if they come from an Australian delivered car, or an imported front cut. Australian delivered cars all run VF12's standard, the imports run VF8's and 10's, depending if they were manual or auto.

I own an RS lib as a daily driver, and am working on a '70 Beetle EJ22 conversion... best of both worlds

Pete

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Originally posted by PD_RS-RA Hey mate, The Liberty EJ20T's came with different turbos depending on if they come from an Australian delivered car, or an imported front cut. Australian delivered cars all run VF12's standard, the imports run VF8's and 10's, depending if they were manual or auto. I own an RS lib as a daily driver, and am working on a '70 Beetle EJ22 conversion... best of both worlds Pete

The suby's sound great. Im currently looking for something to fill the caping hole in the back of my kombi where my engine and gearbox once were....Im looking for reliability, fuel economy and not too fussed about power. I loved the old engine, speed doesnt worry me. Any ideas?

What do i need to do with a gearbox for a suby engine?

Not quite a size difference question but comparing the EJ20T to the EJ22T, what is everyones opinion in ease of implanting, power difference, problems?