new approach to under-car rads?
baybuscamperkid - January 22nd, 2006 at 10:11 AM
just looking at some pics of early bays/splits with their flat pan over the chassis, just wondering, i imagint this would provide a smoother earflow
under the car, could adding one of these improve airflow to radiators setup with louvres etc as done in most under-car rad fitments at the moment?
your thoughts please
helbus - January 22nd, 2006 at 11:54 AM
I don't fully understand what you are asking?
Is it a floor pan you want to add or a radiator?
baybuscamperkid - January 24th, 2006 at 09:22 AM
i am wondering whether a pan similar to a beetle pan but running between the 2 chassis rails on a bay kombi up to the point where the rad begins would
improve airflow?
something along these lines:
baybuscamperkid - January 24th, 2006 at 09:28 AM
or something like this for mine since my exhaust runs down the middle
nbturbo - January 24th, 2006 at 09:44 AM
Send a message to VWType2-he had a Bay with a V6 and the radiator under there with a scoop.From memory,I don't think there were ever any overheating
issues,just trouble trying to keep gears quiet in the box.I think he had plenty of pics.
helbus - January 24th, 2006 at 12:09 PM
With our bus we got 100 degrees on the guage on the 43 degree days. I suppose it would pop the cap at 110? It is a 15 psi cap.
It appears to work good and stay below 90 but on the freeway sits over 90 which means the fans are constantly on. The only improvement I could see
with our setup would be bigger lovers as they are quite small as that was the maximum the louver punch could do.
It's not critical, just would be better. As for the flat floor bit, I really dont know.
shaihulud - January 25th, 2006 at 05:47 PM
I am only saying what I have been told by others. I have no experience with under car radiators.
I have been told that you need to fit baffles in the air scoop intakes otherwise sand, stones and other hard objects thrown up by the wheels will sand
blast the radiator core and will rapidly hole it.
OZ Towdster - January 25th, 2006 at 08:47 PM
Bay bus camper Kid that looks remarkabley like Custom Offroads radiator design and yes it does work well at all temperatures in the centre of the car
but is still in development and i feel that a tapered design works better as it compresses the air at the back of the scoop forcing it threw the
rdiator as aposed to the louvred design where the air is not condenced any where and is possibly turning circles and not going threw the radiator
as much as thought, any way just my theirios as a past sheetmetal worker in the air industry. Andrew
helbus - January 26th, 2006 at 10:22 AM
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Bay bus camper Kid that looks remarkabley like Custom Offroads radiator design
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Pic of our bus with COR cooling solution. So yes you are right.
RENNWAGEN - January 26th, 2006 at 03:17 PM
Why not stick some ply or even stiff cardboard on there sticky tape some wool tufts to it find a safe place to drive and look/film it from another car
. That should show whether it helps air flow or not. I would be interested to hear the results of a real test.
GeorgeL - February 5th, 2006 at 04:50 AM
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Originally
posted by A Westwood
Bay bus camper Kid that looks remarkabley like Custom Offroads radiator design and yes it does work well at all temperatures in the centre of the car
but is still in development and i feel that a tapered design works better as it compresses the air at the back of the scoop forcing it threw the
rdiator as aposed to the louvred design where the air is not condenced any where and is possibly turning circles and not going threw the radiator
as much as thought, any way just my theirios as a past sheetmetal worker in the air industry. Andrew
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Here are the issues I see:
1. Protect radiator
With an undercar radiator, this is just a matter of preventing bouncing stones and other road debris from coming in contact with the fragile bits of
the radiator. A frame around the radiator and a suitable vented panel on the face of the radiator should be adequate. For the vented panel, I favor
a stiff expanded mesh, though louvered sheet metal (like the COR setup) should also work. The only thing I have against louvered panels is that they
might restrict airflow more than the expanded mesh.
2. Ensure good airflow while moving
The only solution to this is to hang a decent sized scoop into the airflow. The goal is to get enough airflow to allow cooling without resorting to
the cooling fans. The scoop should also be screened to prevent entry of stones, birds, etc.
3. Prevent recirculation of cooling air
When stopped or at low speeds, the fan will eventually be called into play. If it is too easy for the air to circulate back around to the inlet side
of the radiator cooling will be compromised. It's tough to keep things going the right way under the vehicle, since natural convection is working
against you. I think the best solution is to simply box in the frame rails toward the front of the vehicle to provide an inlet scoop up front and
guiding the air backwards and then down through the radiator mounted just forward of the rear crossmember. This puts the air outlet several feet away
from the air inlet and gives fresh air a chance at getting into the inlet. Smoothness inside the duct isn't really a concern, as it just serves as a
plenum chamber, hopefully pressurized a bit by ram air from the scoop at the front end of the inlet duct. The duct does need to be well-sealed, with
attention to the gaps around the radiator, between the frame and the floor, etc., as the air will take the path of least resistance and we want that
path to be through the radiator!
In light of these, the splittie bellypan might well provide the duct/plenum desired for a radiator setup. The bellypan wouldn't have to be as strong
as the reinforcement bellypans, but the basic concept is fine. You'd still need to fashion a scoop at the front to provide some stagnation pressure
for the duct.
George
[ Edited on Feb 04, 2006 by GeorgeL ]
[ Edited on Feb 04, 2006 by GeorgeL ]
richbaker78 - February 7th, 2006 at 09:56 PM
I've tried to mock up a diagram of what you suggest.
What do you think ?
Click here for Pic
GeorgeL - February 8th, 2006 at 08:48 AM
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I've tried to mock up a diagram of what you suggest.
What do you think ?
Click here for Pic
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I don't think that the side scoops will make a lot of difference. The front scoop and duct would probably flow plenty of air.
You have provided adequate separation between intake and exhaust of heated air, which is the item usually missed in radiator installations.
George
vwtyp2 - February 8th, 2006 at 07:33 PM
some pics of mine.