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Which clutch for vw tranny to ej20?

dmulally - March 11th, 2010 at 08:10 AM

Hi All

I tried searching but couldnt find any info. I dont know too much about clutches but Ill try my best to explain.

Can someone please tell me what should I be ordering for the clutch? Subaru wrx clutch with kombi centre?

I tried counting teeth and measuring the input shaft but it didnt fit too well so wondering what you guys use.

Its a swing axle type early gearbox.

Also, may I ask if all the vw input shaft are the same? (kombi, irs etc) It would make finding one to use as a clutch alignment tool much easier.

Thanks in advance

Cheers

Damo

Joel - March 11th, 2010 at 11:28 AM

can we get abit more info?
what adapter are you using?

if its one of the aus made ones they just use vw clutches
just depends whether its the 200mm beetle one or 215mm kombi
its only the bellhousing adapter kits like smallcar and RJES that use subi clutches

all vw input shafts have the same splines, just type4 are longer

if its a turbo engine your gonna need a pretty HD clutch

JVLRacing - March 11th, 2010 at 11:48 AM

early model box ouch! u have a problem straight away :no:

STIDUB - March 11th, 2010 at 12:51 PM

kombi box, custom bellhousing & input shaft (RJES), 240mm subie clutch :tu:

failing that... cranky kit for the starter & HD bug clutch & enjoy slipping/worn out clutches, be semi gentle & keep a spare box handy

dmulally - March 11th, 2010 at 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Joel
can we get abit more info?
what adapter are you using?

if its one of the aus made ones they just use vw clutches
just depends whether its the 200mm beetle one or 215mm kombi
its only the bellhousing adapter kits like smallcar and RJES that use subi clutches

all vw input shafts have the same splines, just type4 are longer

if its a turbo engine your gonna need a pretty HD clutch

Sure can. It has a custom ali plate which is very thick. The situation was that in
After the latest engine rebuild, the old clutch (which was shagged anyway) was misplaced so I measured what I thought was correct and it just didnt seem to work whilst the engine was running. I pulled it apart and it just gripped the input shaft too snug. It would engage with the engine off ok. But not on start up. Bugger.

Hence why I am hoping that there is an off the shelf clutch I can set and forget. I have rung a few places but its not a new beetle or commodore so I am at a loss. A friend of mine raves about this forum so....

I re machined the flywheel and it has a hydraulic slave setup fyi.

Thanks for the answers on the input shaft dims too!

dmulally - March 11th, 2010 at 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by JVLRacing
early model box ouch! u have a problem straight away :no:

if only I had a correct clutch for every time I heard that!!!

Same gearbox since 96 and its on its third engine. Its a track car and only uses 3rd and 4th. There is no 1st gear and 2nd is only good for the pits at idle. It could probably use some new seals but is still going strong with 10x15" slicks after all these years.

dmulally - March 11th, 2010 at 01:57 PM

Think I found one. John from Volksconversions is sending me one... Fingers crossed

JVLRacing - March 11th, 2010 at 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by dmulally

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Originally posted by JVLRacing
early model box ouch! u have a problem straight away :no:

if only I had a correct clutch for every time I heard that!!!

this sounds interesting! :cool:

Jak Rizzo - March 11th, 2010 at 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by dmulally
Same gearbox since 96 and its on its third engine. Its a track car and only uses 3rd and 4th. There is no 1st gear and 2nd is only good for the pits at idle. It could probably use some new seals but is still going strong with 10x15" slicks after all these years.

Cool, can we see some pics?
regards
Jak

dmulally - March 11th, 2010 at 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by JVLRacing

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Originally posted by dmulally

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Originally posted by JVLRacing
early model box ouch! u have a problem straight away :no:

if only I had a correct clutch for every time I heard that!!!

this sounds interesting! :cool:

lol more than happy to provide pics if you want. It was in a vee but now lives in the back of a custom Lotus 23 replica. Thinking about a vw buggy for the next one.

Jak Rizzo - March 11th, 2010 at 02:06 PM

Awesome!! are u going to come to the Nationals Supersprint on the 22nd of May at Wakefield Park? U can have a run against JVL's sportsedan.

What are the specs on your motor?

regards
Jak

JVLRacing - March 11th, 2010 at 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Jak Rizzo
Awesome!! are u going to come to the Nationals Supersprint on the 22nd of May at Wakefield Park? U can have a run against JVL's sportsedan.

What are the specs on your motor?

regards
Jak

thanku jako....u r funny

Mate luv to see some pics

dmulally - March 11th, 2010 at 02:24 PM

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Depends if it survives Bathurst at Easter with the FOSC. At the moment...its going nowhere in a hurry.

Ill dig up some pics and if I see any of you guys there, Ill say hello. I only really have met Rudi and seen his bug fly past.

oh, it used to have a racing bottom end with the works but it was undrivable. Now it uses a stock sti bottom end, custom heads and inlet with a small turbo and is dry sumped. I prefer reliability over speed. It has enough of that. The main problem is the nut behind the steering wheel sadly :/

mactaylor - March 14th, 2010 at 08:03 AM

yeah some pics would be great especially ones of your drysump set up

dmulally - March 20th, 2010 at 09:37 AM

Ok. I got the clutch from John Sherman after I had to call the police on the post office (long story. Wish it wasnt)

I put it in and things are not working so good. I have adjusted the throw out bearing back and forward and I still cant get it to change gears with the engine going. I put the pedal in and in gear the engine turns over and the car doesnt move but it wont quite start.

Does anyone know anybody who knows vw gearboxes to subies that is in Sydney? I am getting rather desperate.

What pics do you want of the dry sump setup? It is belt driven.

Cheers

Damo

mactaylor - March 22nd, 2010 at 08:00 AM

sorry for the slow reply just some general photos would be great of your sump and external pump layout thanx. any luck with your gearbag?

JVLRacing - March 22nd, 2010 at 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by dmulally
Ok. I got the clutch from John Sherman after I had to call the police on the post office (long story. Wish it wasnt)

I put it in and things are not working so good. I have adjusted the throw out bearing back and forward and I still cant get it to change gears with the engine going. I put the pedal in and in gear the engine turns over and the car doesnt move but it wont quite start.

Does anyone know anybody who knows vw gearboxes to subies that is in Sydney? I am getting rather desperate.

What pics do you want of the dry sump setup? It is belt driven.

Cheers

Damo

Go to V force mortlake....
Was it goin before engaging etc?

dmulally - March 22nd, 2010 at 09:30 AM

It was working before. Only difference is the clutch and pressure plate. The rest is as it was.

I keep trying to "fix" it and keep making it worse!

Ill try v force. Cheers

choppa - April 1st, 2010 at 02:48 PM

Sounds like your clutch isnt disengaging.
You need about 20mm free play at the pedal before you feel pressure.
Check your bouden tube has the correct arc in it.
Also with heavy clutches if u dont run hard bushes or at least new bushes in the cross shaft, the throw out bearing wont depress the pressure plate enough to disengage the clutch and change gears while running.
Maybe also the cross shaft is worn/flexing.
Also check the clutch cable hook on the pedal in the tunnel, could be weak, or flexing and the actual tube the cable runs in could be flexing and needs a support halfway down the tunnel and check welds at both ends.
M