Hi, I'm not new to vw's but new to researching subaru swap.
I have been considering a type3 squareback with a ej16 swap (euro engine I can get cheap, had plenty of power for me and would get the best mpg)
Anyway I have found all the basics of the installs easy enough to find, but am still searching for any one that has managed to get the subaru under
the stock engine hatch.
I see this as a personal goal, as it would be great to get this swap in a squareback/variant without loosing all that cargo space, and a flat load bed
with the rear seat down.
Anyone seen it done before I think it would require a custom inlet manifold.
Found this so far.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=542877
I think an ej16 is not worth the effort , go bigger for a bigger hole in the ozone layer 
if you put a hump in the cover you could do that anyway with some of the other motors. personally, I wouldn't go to all the effort of a conversion
for the EJ16. It's not known for being a great 1600. For the same work an EJ22/25 would go in and be a LOT more fun. the reason the EJ16 is cheap is
because it's crap.
just a thought. btw, where are you? Australia or somewhere else?
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A lad on here got a 6.7ltrs/100km with an ej25.
would would easily assume then the ej16 would be much smaller again.... but i dunno... for a smaller motor, you will have to put ur foot further to
the floor and chew threw to pick up the pace. i guess its a balance hey...
what was the fuel economy of it in the scoobi's themselves?
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the EJ16 being "crap" is just because people dont like the power output.
Its like sayings VWs 1200 is crap but their 1600s are tops, its the same frigging engine design just different bore/stroke.
They arent terribly common here but I've driven EJ18 impreza's and whilst they're no race car but flog along alright, so i dont imagine a EJ16
would be much slower
the 18 at 76kw only has 6kw more than the 16
The 6.7L/100 I got from my EJ22 not EJ25 bug that Chris is talking about above isnt really an accurate representation, as it was a straight highway
run at 100km/h with no hills
normally i get an average 8.7L/100 which is 33mpg in old money with mainly around town stop/start use.
As you said EJ16 is the baby but still nearly double a 1600 vw engine but will be 100x smoother, economical and last longer
I say go for it
According to redbook the EJ16 Imprezas average combined economy is 7.2L/100
Sorry Joel.. my bad. 
Lot of effort I still think to run the 1600, at least go a 2.2 and with the extra torque it will cruize beautifully. Why so worried about keeping under orig cover, do you need to carry stuff? I would be surprised even if a Suby 1600 would sit under orig cover, I know the 1800 carby wont. Maybe a efi engine will just do it. I can get about 7.2l/100km on freeway and under 10l/100km around town, thats with over 240hp atw.
Thanks for the info so far guys, as I said i;m a small engine guy and 95hp is more than enough for me and if fuel prices continue to rise I woul be
better off.
I think its would just be nice to get it under the OG hatch as a super clean install . There are available sleep extenders for the rear seat of a
squareback so with the flat back you can have a 6ft bed in there. I surf so it would be nice to have a bed option without sleeping on a hump.
End up with the rear like this http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/680319.jpg
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The EJ16 is no different in height to a 20, 22 or 25, they all have the same manifold lay out
The only exception is the carbed EJ16, and we didnt get them here and I'd be surprised if they were sold in the UK
they sit a tad higher, you may have a make a bubbled engine hatch
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posted by Joel The EJ16 is no different in height to a 20, 22 or 25, they all have the same manifold lay out The only exception is the carbed EJ16, and we didnt get them here and I'd be surprised if they were sold in the UK they sit a tad higher, you may have a make a bubbled engine hatch |
How kool is that
Go for it man! just keep us updated on ur progress.
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Pete's right, even the bigger motors are fairly economical if driven accordingly.
There was a carb'd version of the EJ16 but i have no idea what countrys they were sold in, Ive seen one in a bug before
Aside from the air cleaner, they're abit lower engine
The round plug on the back of the cam for the 1/3 head is where the distributor goes
but unless you wanted to avoid alll the wiring, Fuel injection is one of the main reasons for the conversion
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And if you are gonna be above the 999cc MOT discount, you might as well do it properly. |
Well been a while but here is an update.
I got a project car, a 63 squareback.
Any seeing its an early 1500 car I followed along with that and just got hold of a JDM EJ15 for it.
The EJ15 1498cc 16v four, 104bhp @ 6400rpm, 105lb ft @ 3200rpm
Thats plenty for me as the last 66 squareback I had was a stock 1600 with 60hp and was fine. So over 50% more power that that will suit me fine.
Going for a high MPG daily driver.
Will be megasquirting it, and building my own exhaust header and muffler.
Anybody know where I can more engine info than is already on the wiki page, I'm looking for valve sizes, cam spec and mpg figures.
thanks
to upgrade to a 22 or 25 down the track won't be hard once you have a ej15-16 in it anyway. 
you will wan't more than 100hp down the track. trust me on that. I have a 165 and would like another 50 or so.
Why do you want the hassle of Squirting it?
I dunno about your manifold but an EJ22 manifold stands higher than my EJ20.
I'm not sure but I think Doppelganger made a custom manifold at some point.
That might be worth a thought, shouldn't have thought it would be much more involved than an exhaust really.
Your real hassle will be the injector holes but isn't yours a single port injection?
If it is, Robert's your mothers brother
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I know I sound like a broken record, and it's your car and all, but for 104bhp you could build an aircooler for very similar money to installing the
subaru properly. I think it's a massive waste of time and money to end up with something the almost the same. For goodness sake buy at least a 2.0l
and get your money's worth. That's the whole idea of subaru swaps. A factory built, efi, big bore/stroker motor for the price of a mild mouse motor.
re meagsquirt, I would like to know what they are like. I've heard mixed reports on how they go on subarus.