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chasing sub 12.5's in a 2250lb Fastback
vwtyp2 - April 6th, 2005 at 09:19 AM

hey James,
any more pics?


Fossil - April 6th, 2005 at 12:33 PM

that's one hell of a fasty


11CAB - April 6th, 2005 at 01:02 PM

There used to be a Fasty up here in QLD that was running a turbo 1916cc and ran 11's from memory.
W.O.F.T.A.M. Racing was the name but it was a full time drag car not a streeter.


MikeM - April 6th, 2005 at 02:10 PM

STI


Doug Sweetman - April 7th, 2005 at 02:31 PM

Good looking bus, and I reckon the CDI was a great addition - something I'd love to do with my 1835, it has standard points, coil and 009 dizzy is weak as piss spark.


Craig Torrens - April 7th, 2005 at 02:54 PM

what was your terminal speed..............and what is the cc's of your engine ?


dangerous - April 8th, 2005 at 07:57 PM

What are the details of the Debiasi diff? What CVs & axles? Same spline @ trans? Regards DB........cool car!


LOWBUG - April 8th, 2005 at 08:56 PM

Have you thought of going to EFI, it won't give you any more power, but it may find power the carbs can't, as I found an extra 10 hp by doing this, plus it can refine your tuning on a dyno.


dangerous - April 9th, 2005 at 05:36 PM

James, if you are serious about mid 12s in a 2250lb car then you are going to need lots of air flow...lots! That means heads, manifolds, & bigger carb/throttle butterflys. If you want to keep carbs, IDAs will always flow more than IDFs, BUT only if the heads & manifolds are up to it. Most good heads that we have done need the manifold cut in half & ported, the welded back together. Some need welding on the outside too. See if Rene has anything he might pass along..(I doubt it).....oh yeah, prob lots of rpm & camshaft might help, but head flow is a much nicer way to do it. Regards DB. PS any body heard from Dave Prior Lately?


shiftyvw - April 11th, 2005 at 06:32 PM

You might need to go through your gearing again if changing to those tyres.
what ratios you got now?


malcolm - April 12th, 2005 at 11:53 PM

with that setup is the fuel going to stay atomized to the combustion chamber.


pete wood - April 13th, 2005 at 01:50 PM

Out of interest, why did you put the injectors before the turbo instead of on the inlet manifolds?

I would have though the option of intercooling would have been attractive.


dangerous - April 13th, 2005 at 10:00 PM

James, I love the look of that engine! My calcs say that you would only need 200 corrected HP to run 12.50s @ 105 from your 135 HP engine.....still a big ask from a N/A type 1 on pump fuel....but boost will achieve your goal for less money & have much more potential.Good luck !.....Iwould imagine these would be about 115rwhp, & about 170rwhp to compare the FW hp figures above. How did you work out your HP figures?


Cam - April 13th, 2005 at 10:11 PM

Flipping hell man, was casually reading through this whole post and the subtle little tweaks to your NA carbie motor then BANG theres a whole change in direction :bounce That turbo motor will be unbelievable! Any chance of it appearing at the jamboree?


boof2332 - April 13th, 2005 at 11:33 PM

Regarding the fuel atomisation......the key is the T piece. Apparently when they made the separation point one with a spliced type, they had the problems....when the air and fuel are forced straight into the "T" section, the turbulance assists in keeping the fuel atomized....it is moving a little faster than normal.

Love the set up James....simple and powerful....and not as expensive as some of the options. A draw through was going to be my next step with the 2332 until I decided on the wrx donk.

Good Luck....
Matt


Cam - April 14th, 2005 at 09:27 AM

LOL, I just looked at the date of the turbo pic's post and realised it was only a few days ago, d'oh:blush. I'll have to cruise down to one of the drag nights to see it run once its done.


pete wood - April 14th, 2005 at 10:15 AM

I have to say, I'm still surprised that you are going with a draw through setup as opposed to EFI.

The reason I say this is I talked to the owner of the grey C&V drag beetle at last years drags and he was running a draw through setup but was changing over to EFI. The reason was this. With a plenum full of fuel/air and nitrous mix he couldn't use a rev limiter. They tried it once and it blew the plenum to pieces.

How are you gonna get round the revlimiter issue?

The other thing is, without some form of intercooling you won't get nearly as much power as the engine should be capable of. How are you gonna intercool it?

Sorry if I sound negative, just interested.

Love a fasty, can't wait to hear how it goes. :)


Doug Sweetman - April 14th, 2005 at 10:50 AM

With the intake temps you usually see on a draw through setup you should have no worries keeping fuel atomised - flash point of petrol is ~35 - 40° and you intake temps will be in the 90's or thereabouts by the end of the run I guess.

That setup will kick ass. You should have oodles of power, the trick is going to be to keep it in close enough tune that no damage is done. If I remember rightly, Volkommen Art have done a few draw through setups before havent they ?

Considered water / methanol injection in lieu of intercooling ?


vwfastback - April 14th, 2005 at 11:19 AM

I have considered that Doug. I am running a mallory CDI which has rev controlled switches. By putting an inline switch in, I could have the injection come on at 3000 rpm though to redline if I wanted.

It is going to take some watching and modifing to get the most out of the engine. I expect to take some time to get this to it's limit. There is a lot that can be modifed and tuned.

Chassis tuning is going to be a major limitation as well. There is a lot to work on this project to get the most out of it.

With the space in the fastback, I can allways go from draw through to blow through later if I want to intercool it. It will build off what I currently have.

Cheers,
James C.


vwtool - April 15th, 2005 at 12:35 AM

There are problems with intercooling a draw through. If you try and cool the air prior to the turbo it will just get hot anyway, and forcing air/fuel mix through an intercooler after a turbo could have atomization issues as well as the alloy bomb you have created.....Very hard to get blow through set ups working well when still using carbs...have to go injection then, so just use a ford throttle body and keep everything where it is now......Lots of fun to have first....has the 4 barrel got the boost enrichment valve?


vwfastback - April 15th, 2005 at 08:32 AM

The 4 barrel has been prepared by RLR in the US for Turbo use on a VW engine.

I will not be going for an intercooler while draw through. There are other ways of lowering temps that I can use if I need to. Charge cooling, alky/water injection, small nitrous hit. There are lots of ways.

Keeping it simple to start. See where it leads after that.

Cheers,

James C.


Doug Sweetman - April 15th, 2005 at 10:33 AM

Smart move James. I have a feeling that once you get your 250 - 270 HP in the back of the fastback then that will be plenty of power until you get the chassis properly sorted eh ?


pete wood - April 15th, 2005 at 02:52 PM

whats a 4 barrel form RLR worth?


AdrianH - April 16th, 2005 at 07:18 PM

Awesome work !! With the torque that thing will produce, have you done anymore to the rest of the driveline ? What sort of clutch set up are you going to use ?


Doug Sweetman - June 23rd, 2005 at 05:48 PM

Sweet !

I had been wondering where you went... greatly enjoying reading this build story !

Smart changes in the top end department too .


vwtyp2 - June 23rd, 2005 at 09:43 PM

wow.
sounds like you've got it sorted James.
Haven't caught up in a while.
keen to see some more pics of the engine back in the car.
Can't wait to see it run.
Good luck.


Golde60 - July 3rd, 2005 at 10:44 PM

keep up the good work

wots the latest?

running in the car yet??


Turbo54 - July 12th, 2005 at 10:50 AM

Hi, good to see another street turbo being built. Can you give specs on cam grind.
Cheers, Turbo54


GoLfMan - July 12th, 2005 at 03:39 PM

looking good mate:bounce


pete wood - July 12th, 2005 at 10:08 PM

how does the boot close?