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Lock cylinder housing
ancientbugger - June 13th, 2016 at 04:34 PM

I'm looking for the lock cylinder housing that keeps all the ignition key gumpf together part number 111 905 851 L. It's for a collapsible column that's fitted in my sons Baja.
Cheers
Barry


bushed - June 13th, 2016 at 07:59 PM

1971?


ancientbugger - June 14th, 2016 at 12:02 PM

Well the steering column would be the first of the collapsible type and looking at the keyed part I would guess yes.


68AutoBug - June 17th, 2016 at 10:38 PM

First collapsible steering columns would be 1968 I'm guessing...
at least in Australia...
Probably 1966 or 1967 in Germany - for USA etc...

the 1971 supers had a short steering shaft that wasn't normally used in Buggies... or Bajas... because of the Macpherson strut front end..

So You need the complete ignition switch assembly?? 111-905-851L
with the key??

Barry,
something I have always done is place a starter switch or button under the dash, so the Key is turned On... Ignition On...
then press the button to start the engine - [starter motor]...
The return spring in the ignition switch is usually the first thing to wear out/break... so, if its not being used....
I always use a relay located near the starter motor or battery also.. to reduce the voltage drop..

Lee


68AutoBug - June 17th, 2016 at 11:43 PM

The numbers on mine are 311-905-861A with steering lock..
the collapsible steering shaft should have a slot in it for the steering lock..
Does yours have wires soldered onto the back of it or push on terminals.?

What is actually wrong with Yours?

the key locking part can be pulled out of the assembly by pushing a nail or screw etc into the small hole located about 12mm from the end of the assembly..about 25mm from the part number..
push down thru the hole a nail or pointed wood screw etc and while pushing the spring strip in, pull the key lock part out slightly using the key... once you have a slight gap between the end of the chromed key piece and the alloy barrel assembly... take whatever You used to push down in the hole, out and use a small flat screwdriver or even a thin flat washer.... which is what i used... to pull the key lock barrel out...
If the electrical part is OK then You can just replace the key lock barrel especially if the wires are soldered in place....
the number of the key used in the key locking part is stamped on it...
so, if You get one without a key... You can get a key cut from the number...

BUT... if the electrical part is the problem.... You can also still use the original key and key lock part..

I hope You can understand all that...

Lee


68AutoBug - June 17th, 2016 at 11:44 PM

Not sure what this will come out like


68AutoBug - June 17th, 2016 at 11:49 PM

Ignition switches with lock - should be - I got these from the USA...
I'll see if My Son has one with the same number as yours if You can't find one... elsewhere...

cheers

Lee


ancientbugger - June 19th, 2016 at 03:27 PM

The one we'd need would be the top one in your last photo. My sons went missing (?) when his switch started playing up (intermittent contacting) so for the last few years he's had a switch to turn on then a push button start. It always works fine but just doesn't look good nor fill him with much sense of security. We have the key cylinder and a new bottom part with the wiring just no where to put them :)


ancientbugger - June 19th, 2016 at 03:29 PM

Also Lee I'm thinking the part number I put up may be wrong.


68AutoBug - June 19th, 2016 at 03:39 PM

Hi
OK on what you need...
seeing I have a photo of that complete assembly
I must have it and the other one too...
I believe the 311 maybe for type 3 cars which are really identical to the type 1s...
Once the return spring inside the electrical part stops working the starter motor wire should be disconnected , and a button etc used...

I'll keep looking for it.... should be in the house somewhere....

cheers

Lee


ancientbugger - June 19th, 2016 at 03:44 PM

That would be great Lee.


Bizarre - June 19th, 2016 at 07:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ancientbugger
I'm looking for the lock cylinder housing that keeps all the ignition key gumpf together part number 111 905 851 L.


G'day

I have one - but it is 111 905 851 A
I will post a pic later


Bizarre - June 19th, 2016 at 08:48 PM

OK - its 113 905 851A

Wrong?

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/blue74l/Selling/20160619_204130_zpsazsllpgz.jpg


68AutoBug - June 19th, 2016 at 08:58 PM

Hi
I don't know what that one is off???
The standard types beetle and type 3 - 1968>
just slide into the round tube...
No bolts or bolt holes....
all late type 3's should be OK Super beetles are the same...
Not sure with L beetles though....

it seems that the part numbers mean its an ignition lock...
111-905 or 311-905
then 861A locking or 851A non locking etc...

Lee


beetleboyjeff - June 19th, 2016 at 11:52 PM

The one Barry has shown is off the later bugs - definitely L bugs but I think S bugs as well. These have the cast housing that has a plastic cover over it - Barry has shown the metal housing part. The earlier ones had a cast housing that was painted black. The lock cylinders that Lee has shown fit inside these housings in a similar manner to the way they fit inside these later ones. Here is more photos of the later ones from different angles so you can see what I mean.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/Jeff_Walsh/General%20VW%20photos/Steeringcolumnbase.jpg

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/Jeff_Walsh/General%20VW%20photos/Ignition%20switch%20to%20steering%20column%201.jpg

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/Jeff_Walsh/General%20VW%20photos/Ignition%20switch%20to%20steering%20column%202.jpg

I am pretty sure I have an earlier housing in the garage - I can get you a photo tomorrow if this is the part you are after.


ancientbugger - June 20th, 2016 at 01:42 PM

I don't think I've put up a pic yet? No Lee is on the ball, the part I need is the top pic of the two types you showed, I have the key cylinder and the switch part with the wiring and the housing should come with a part that joins the key cylinder to the electrical switch.


Joel - June 20th, 2016 at 07:19 PM

Best to get a picture as there's 3 different types for 68 and later Beetles and some of them look very similar but aren't interchangeable.


68AutoBug - June 20th, 2016 at 07:59 PM

Hi Joel,
I haven't tried them all into My spare steering column..
apart from the 311-905-861A types.
which is a standard switch with chromed key surround but with the locking piece...
key numbers are 62K037 and 38K014 [T13905855] on the key cylinders when removed from the electrical part... these also have a different number of wires coming out the back or actually soldered to the bottom of the assembly... one has 6 wires... and the other has 3 PLUS a thin flat copper strip which is attached to a small push button [inside the switch] that is depressed when the steering lock is OFF.. what it operates I don't know... some kind of accessory I would say... I was going to use that one in My car and attach the extra copper strip to ???? cannot remember now....

Anyway I'll keep looking.... for the one in the photo....

One has a rubber part around the key cylinder part which I believe is prom a 1971 beetle [in the photo] but haven't found that one as yet... and have never tried to fit it either...

Maybe the supers had different switch assemblies??

and I did think there were some later ones with push On terminals?

cheers Good to see You are still about JOEL....

Lee


Joel - June 21st, 2016 at 07:24 PM

Hi Lee, yep I'm still around just dont post much these days.

That 311 is a type 3 part number but looks to be the same unit as a 68-70 Beetle, the longer one is 71-73 although only 72-73 had a functioning steering lock in Australia.

that mystery copper strip on your early switch is for the key in/door ajar buzzer.
It senses when the key is in the ignition so the buzzer sounds if you open the door, was a US regulation, I use mine as an accessories position so my radio and lighter socket works as long as the key is inserted but not necessarily turned on.

The extra wires on the late one are key buzzer same as above, the headlights have separate power so they turn off with the key and also the euro side marker power for Swedish market cars

I've noticed in aussie bugs Supers have the extra terminals but the 1300 standards dont.


68AutoBug - June 21st, 2016 at 11:54 PM

Hi Joel
when the return spring in the ignition switch assembly no longer works can it be fixed?
I thought it would have been in the key locking part but it is in the electrical part of the assembly which looks like it's not supposed to be pulled apart seeing it is crimped... I'm thinking that the spring is probably a special shape and tension...

I haven't been able to find the two cylinders in that photo as yet but I have parts everywhere mostly in My house but some in plastic boxes in steel cabinets... and there are lots of boxes... plus some shelves in wardrobes may have 40-50 parts on them... so I may have to put them all into plastic boxes and mark what is in the boxes... lol....

cheers

Lee

PS: I always find heaps of stuff I forgot I had when searching for something.... but rarely actually find the bit I'm looking for.... Lee


68AutoBug - June 22nd, 2016 at 12:05 AM

Hi Jeff.
Been a while... I may get to Nambucca this year... I have a sister in Law & husband just moved there from Adelaide....
They probably know what a beetle looks like but not sure they would know about type 3s although I did visit them in My type 3 squareback years ago....lol :no:

I actually thought I had a super beetle steering column and switch but it must have been at My Son Scott's... I didn't really notice how they had modified the housing like that.. My Son did say He had one with bolt holes... LOL...:lol:
Looks like I'll have to get the ignition switch from Him too if I cannot find Mine...

cheers

LEE

Quote:
Originally posted by beetleboyjeff
The one Barry has shown is off the later bugs - definitely L bugs but I think S bugs as well. These have the cast housing that has a plastic cover over it - Barry has shown the metal housing part. The earlier ones had a cast housing that was painted black. The lock cylinders that Lee has shown fit inside these housings in a similar manner to the way they fit inside these later ones. Here is more photos of the later ones from different angles so you can see what I mean.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/Jeff_Walsh/General%20VW%20photos/Steeringcolumnbase.jpg

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/Jeff_Walsh/General%20VW%20photos/Ignition%20switch%20to%20steering%20column%201.jpg

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/Jeff_Walsh/General%20VW%20photos/Ignition%20switch%20to%20steering%20column%202.jpg

I am pretty sure I have an earlier housing in the garage - I can get you a photo tomorrow if this is the part you are after.


beetleboyjeff - June 22nd, 2016 at 01:15 AM

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by 68AutoBug
Hi Jeff.
Been a while... I may get to Nambucca this year... I have a sister in Law & husband just moved there from Adelaide....
They probably know what a beetle looks like but not sure they would know about type 3s although I did visit them in My type 3 squareback years ago....lol :no:





Yes Lee, long time no see. It would be great to catch up an Nambucca. I hope to see you there.


ancientbugger - June 22nd, 2016 at 12:06 PM

Sorry to interrupt but still looking for a cylinder !


68AutoBug - June 22nd, 2016 at 08:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ancientbugger
Sorry to interrupt but still looking for a cylinder !


I'm still looking for the ones I photographed...
but My Son tells Me He has one...
as its freezing cold here and maybe snowing on the weekend...
I have searched and searched here, have a steering column, and shaft etc.. but still looking here, but I'm sure My Son has one..
He has sheds of parts... lol...
Luckily most of mine are inside the house... but not organised...
I will keep You updated....

cheers

LEE


ancientbugger - June 30th, 2016 at 04:46 PM

Still looking!


68AutoBug - June 30th, 2016 at 09:57 PM

Apologies

I'm still looking too.....

I'll try to get to My Son's place on the weekend if I can't find one here....

I have found a lot of other stuff I didn't know I even Had....

cheers

LEE


ancientbugger - July 1st, 2016 at 12:49 PM

Sounds like Dubs are in the family, have a look at Pic of the day! Thanks for looking Lee.


ancientbugger - July 6th, 2016 at 09:45 AM

Bump!


68AutoBug - July 6th, 2016 at 10:34 PM

Hi Barry
well, I have found one [another one] with the numbers 111 905 851L
but I'll have to take a pic of it with all the dimensions as it looks like a mixture of the two in the pic... before...
no rubber - all metal..
looks like it is a steering lock type but no locking pin etc.... doesn't look like it was ever fitted with the locking pin etc.... but the same housing used...

KOLB K 150 another number on it..

smooth key action... very clean..

I'll check if it will fit into a spare steering column I have from a 1969 Beetle...

otherwise it's back to My Son's place .....

Lee


68AutoBug - July 21st, 2016 at 12:35 AM

Hopefully the correct one is on it's way to Barry. at Noosa from Scone,,,
let Me knw how You go barry..

Lee