I'm looking for the lock cylinder housing that keeps all the ignition key gumpf together part number 111 905 851 L. It's for a collapsible column
that's fitted in my sons Baja.
Cheers
Barry
1971?
Well the steering column would be the first of the collapsible type and looking at the keyed part I would guess yes.
First collapsible steering columns would be 1968 I'm guessing...
at least in Australia...
Probably 1966 or 1967 in Germany - for USA etc...
the 1971 supers had a short steering shaft that wasn't normally used in Buggies... or Bajas... because of the Macpherson strut front end..
So You need the complete ignition switch assembly?? 111-905-851L
with the key??
Barry,
something I have always done is place a starter switch or button under the dash, so the Key is turned On... Ignition On...
then press the button to start the engine - [starter motor]...
The return spring in the ignition switch is usually the first thing to wear out/break... so, if its not being used....
I always use a relay located near the starter motor or battery also.. to reduce the voltage drop..
Lee
The numbers on mine are 311-905-861A with steering lock..
the collapsible steering shaft should have a slot in it for the steering lock..
Does yours have wires soldered onto the back of it or push on terminals.?
What is actually wrong with Yours?
the key locking part can be pulled out of the assembly by pushing a nail or screw etc into the small hole located about 12mm from the end of the
assembly..about 25mm from the part number..
push down thru the hole a nail or pointed wood screw etc and while pushing the spring strip in, pull the key lock part out slightly using the key...
once you have a slight gap between the end of the chromed key piece and the alloy barrel assembly... take whatever You used to push down in the hole,
out and use a small flat screwdriver or even a thin flat washer.... which is what i used... to pull the key lock barrel out...
If the electrical part is OK then You can just replace the key lock barrel especially if the wires are soldered in place....
the number of the key used in the key locking part is stamped on it...
so, if You get one without a key... You can get a key cut from the number...
BUT... if the electrical part is the problem.... You can also still use the original key and key lock part..
I hope You can understand all that...
Lee
Not sure what this will come out like
Ignition switches with lock - should be - I got these from the USA...
I'll see if My Son has one with the same number as yours if You can't find one... elsewhere...
cheers
Lee
The one we'd need would be the top one in your last photo. My sons went missing (?) when his switch started playing up (intermittent contacting) so for the last few years he's had a switch to turn on then a push button start. It always works fine but just doesn't look good nor fill him with much sense of security. We have the key cylinder and a new bottom part with the wiring just no where to put them
Also Lee I'm thinking the part number I put up may be wrong.
Hi
OK on what you need...
seeing I have a photo of that complete assembly
I must have it and the other one too...
I believe the 311 maybe for type 3 cars which are really identical to the type 1s...
Once the return spring inside the electrical part stops working the starter motor wire should be disconnected , and a button etc used...
I'll keep looking for it.... should be in the house somewhere....
cheers
Lee
That would be great Lee.
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Hi
I don't know what that one is off???
The standard types beetle and type 3 - 1968>
just slide into the round tube...
No bolts or bolt holes....
all late type 3's should be OK Super beetles are the same...
Not sure with L beetles though....
it seems that the part numbers mean its an ignition lock...
111-905 or 311-905
then 861A locking or 851A non locking etc...
Lee
The one Barry has shown is off the later bugs - definitely L bugs but I think S bugs as well. These have the cast housing that has a plastic cover
over it - Barry has shown the metal housing part. The earlier ones had a cast housing that was painted black. The lock cylinders that Lee has shown
fit inside these housings in a similar manner to the way they fit inside these later ones. Here is more photos of the later ones from different angles
so you can see what I mean.
I am pretty sure I have an earlier housing in the garage - I can get you a photo tomorrow if this is the part you are after.
I don't think I've put up a pic yet? No Lee is on the ball, the part I need is the top pic of the two types you showed, I have the key cylinder and the switch part with the wiring and the housing should come with a part that joins the key cylinder to the electrical switch.
Best to get a picture as there's 3 different types for 68 and later Beetles and some of them look very similar but aren't interchangeable.
Hi Joel,
I haven't tried them all into My spare steering column..
apart from the 311-905-861A types.
which is a standard switch with chromed key surround but with the locking piece...
key numbers are 62K037 and 38K014 [T13905855] on the key cylinders when removed from the electrical part... these also have a different number of
wires coming out the back or actually soldered to the bottom of the assembly... one has 6 wires... and the other has 3 PLUS a thin flat copper strip
which is attached to a small push button [inside the switch] that is depressed when the steering lock is OFF.. what it operates I don't know... some
kind of accessory I would say... I was going to use that one in My car and attach the extra copper strip to ???? cannot remember now....
Anyway I'll keep looking.... for the one in the photo....
One has a rubber part around the key cylinder part which I believe is prom a 1971 beetle [in the photo] but haven't found that one as yet... and have
never tried to fit it either...
Maybe the supers had different switch assemblies??
and I did think there were some later ones with push On terminals?
cheers Good to see You are still about JOEL....
Lee
Hi Lee, yep I'm still around just dont post much these days.
That 311 is a type 3 part number but looks to be the same unit as a 68-70 Beetle, the longer one is 71-73 although only 72-73 had a functioning
steering lock in Australia.
that mystery copper strip on your early switch is for the key in/door ajar buzzer.
It senses when the key is in the ignition so the buzzer sounds if you open the door, was a US regulation, I use mine as an accessories position so my
radio and lighter socket works as long as the key is inserted but not necessarily turned on.
The extra wires on the late one are key buzzer same as above, the headlights have separate power so they turn off with the key and also the euro side
marker power for Swedish market cars
I've noticed in aussie bugs Supers have the extra terminals but the 1300 standards dont.
Hi Joel
when the return spring in the ignition switch assembly no longer works can it be fixed?
I thought it would have been in the key locking part but it is in the electrical part of the assembly which looks like it's not supposed to be pulled
apart seeing it is crimped... I'm thinking that the spring is probably a special shape and tension...
I haven't been able to find the two cylinders in that photo as yet but I have parts everywhere mostly in My house but some in plastic boxes in steel
cabinets... and there are lots of boxes... plus some shelves in wardrobes may have 40-50 parts on them... so I may have to put them all into plastic
boxes and mark what is in the boxes... lol....
cheers
Lee
PS: I always find heaps of stuff I forgot I had when searching for something.... but rarely actually find the bit I'm looking for.... Lee
Hi Jeff.
Been a while... I may get to Nambucca this year... I have a sister in Law & husband just moved there from Adelaide....
They probably know what a beetle looks like but not sure they would know about type 3s although I did visit them in My type 3 squareback years
ago....lol
I actually thought I had a super beetle steering column and switch but it must have been at My Son Scott's... I didn't really notice how they had
modified the housing like that.. My Son did say He had one with bolt holes... LOL...
Looks like I'll have to get the ignition switch from Him too if I cannot find Mine...
cheers
LEE
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Sorry to interrupt but still looking for a cylinder !
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Still looking!
Apologies
I'm still looking too.....
I'll try to get to My Son's place on the weekend if I can't find one here....
I have found a lot of other stuff I didn't know I even Had....
cheers
LEE
Sounds like Dubs are in the family, have a look at Pic of the day! Thanks for looking Lee.
Bump!
Hi Barry
well, I have found one [another one] with the numbers 111 905 851L
but I'll have to take a pic of it with all the dimensions as it looks like a mixture of the two in the pic... before...
no rubber - all metal..
looks like it is a steering lock type but no locking pin etc.... doesn't look like it was ever fitted with the locking pin etc.... but the same
housing used...
KOLB K 150 another number on it..
smooth key action... very clean..
I'll check if it will fit into a spare steering column I have from a 1969 Beetle...
otherwise it's back to My Son's place .....
Lee
Hopefully the correct one is on it's way to Barry. at Noosa from Scone,,,
let Me knw how You go barry..
Lee