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what engine did you purchase / build
Paulc1964au - July 17th, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Looking long term to upgrade my motor or replace with a new engine, here are the parameters i wish to achieve

1. Must blow away the following cars

Camo's 61
Mick's 56
Any local hoon in there modified commodore, etc

Seriously though I'm thinking about a 1916 with lots of low down grunt rather than a speed demon on the freeway.

so far the options i see are

1. New engine from CBB
2. A Stan Pobjoy build
3. Rebuilding my 1600TP

Am open to any other suggestions

barls - July 17th, 2011 at 12:25 PM

you left out one option.
2.4L t4 with dells. thats what im thinking of for my next one.
try having a chat to richard at vforce about the difference between t1 and t4 you would be surprised.

AUSSIE_MICK - July 17th, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Who's Stan pobje?

Paulc1964au - July 17th, 2011 at 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by AUSSIE_MICK
Who's Stan pobje?


i always do that lol thanks

SebastienPeek - July 17th, 2011 at 01:05 PM

How hard is it to fit a type 4 engine into a type 1?
Will a standard type 1 gearbox/suspension cope with something like a 2l type 4 engine? Do I have to chop away the engine bay or anything of the sort?
I've seen it happen all to often and am considering doing it myself when money permits.
Maybe my tax can go towards it! :D

Sorry to hijack this thread, I'm curious as well :P

barls - July 17th, 2011 at 01:38 PM

bolts straight up to the stock late model box, no cutting required. ive been running the stock rear suspension for about 5 years now with no real problem, im about to upgrade to heavier torsion bars

does require the cooling system to be converted to upright though.

Ollie - July 17th, 2011 at 01:51 PM

48 IDA equipped 2276...
:cool:

SebastienPeek - July 17th, 2011 at 02:01 PM

Hmm, looks very doable.
Is there any threads on here that document the requirements/procedure of installing one or has no one actually documented it?

Ollie - July 17th, 2011 at 02:16 PM

I'm sure people have documented it, it's been done a few times!

They've got some good torquey grunt too!

SebastienPeek - July 17th, 2011 at 02:28 PM

It's been done plenty of times, I keep seeing them done and I might as well take the plunge too.
Gives me something to work towards anyway!

I'll have to do some searching around to see if I can find anything :)

barls - July 17th, 2011 at 02:29 PM

heres a few. the second one the title is wrong its t4
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=28504 
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=45759 

and finally mine
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=25214 

SebastienPeek - July 17th, 2011 at 02:37 PM

Thanks Baris,
Will take a look at them all now and see what I'll need to save up for :)

cnfabo - July 17th, 2011 at 02:38 PM

i went for a spin in my mates 2.7 ltr t4.the other day..wow...wholy torque......it has 150 whp with low comp and only 44idfs .....very fun...third gear wheel spins....the heads are not welded.....

vvwbeetle - July 17th, 2011 at 08:05 PM

Hi guys

More than happy with the engine in my bug

2332 with 48's (150hp at wheels)

Great to drive at all speeds. Then has enough power to upset the w@nkers in their turbo or v8 powered cars. They get a shock when a 41 year old bug blows them away.

I can recommend you go and talk to the guys @ CCB. They were great with me and kept me informed all the time and sent pics and video's that I asked them to take for me.

More than happy to answer and questions you may have.

vassy66T1 - July 17th, 2011 at 08:16 PM

Stroker Type 1 definitely.

dubai - July 17th, 2011 at 09:44 PM

Who are CCB and do they have a web site and contacts?

Thanks

Paulc1964au - July 17th, 2011 at 09:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dubai
Who are CCB and do they have a web site and contacts?

Thanks


CBB

vvwbeetle - July 17th, 2011 at 09:59 PM

Sorry it should have been

CBB

http://www.cbbvw.com.au 

Paulc1964au - July 18th, 2011 at 07:39 AM

I guess the other option is getting a list of parts and i can purchase at my leisure then have my 1600 twin port built to a 1916?

hellbugged - July 18th, 2011 at 08:04 AM

Hardly worth using your existing engine parts with price and avIlavility of good quality new parts

Start from scratch

johny rotten - July 18th, 2011 at 08:40 AM

The fastest non turbo air cooled Beetle at Wakefield was a Type 1 Stroker of around 1995cc , Belongs to Troy Trager.
Troy beat all the type 4 engines including a 2.7 litre Aero guard equipped bug wih huge wheel , tyres and brakes.

A similar result was seen a Valla recently with the type 1 engines dominating all results.

Type 4 engines are too old, all the crankcases are stuffed, also the heads fall to pieces.
The 2litre cranks and porche rods are getting harder to re-use.
:cool:

matberry - July 18th, 2011 at 08:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by hellbugged
Hardly worth using your existing engine parts with price and avIlavility of good quality new parts

Start from scratch


x2

More often than not, very few major components will be useable from your current engine, so if your wanting a performance build, build from scratch, then you may as well use a stroker crank and build a 2.0+ .... and you get to keep driving your car while you plan, save, purchase and build the new engine.

Paulc1964au - July 18th, 2011 at 09:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by matberry
Quote:
Originally posted by hellbugged
Hardly worth using your existing engine parts with price and avIlavility of good quality new parts

Start from scratch


x2

More often than not, very few major components will be useable from your current engine, so if your wanting a performance build, build from scratch, then you may as well use a stroker crank and build a 2.0+ .... and you get to keep driving your car while you plan, save, purchase and build the new engine.


Ok i'm not real bright can you explain what a stroker engine is please?

Paulc1964au - July 18th, 2011 at 09:56 AM

Keep in mind this is my weekend car and has a 1500 gearbox don't want a race car just something to surprise those at the lights lol

donn - July 18th, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Quote:
Ok i'm not real bright can you explain what a stroker engine is please?



Hmm, that means I'm not too bright also.
I asked the same question not too long ago, it is an engine with a different crank shaft giving the pistons a longer "stroke" (least I think that is what it is.):dork:

matberry - July 18th, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Your on to it Donn. :tu:

Maybe I was thinking of another thread, thought a big engine was a possibility, no worries, even a stock stroke can give the locals a wake up.

barls - July 18th, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by johny rotten
The fastest non turbo air cooled Beetle at Wakefield was a Type 1 Stroker of around 1995cc , Belongs to Troy Trager.
Troy beat all the type 4 engines including a 2.7 litre Aero guard equipped bug wih huge wheel , tyres and brakes.

A similar result was seen a Valla recently with the type 1 engines dominating all results.

Type 4 engines are too old, all the crankcases are stuffed, also the heads fall to pieces.
The 2litre cranks and porche rods are getting harder to re-use.
:cool:
the same configuration in the yellow bug when it was in the previous car was a lot quicker. as they have only just put together the yellow one.
remember the green but that was 3 seconds slower than a gt3 around oran park? thats a t4 naturally aspirated
heres the link to it racing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGlJXHu6YNg 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDfPCT2-ZOQ 

Paulc1964au - July 18th, 2011 at 06:26 PM

So I assume a stroker engine is really more for racing or drag racing rather than for a daily?

Craig Torrens - July 18th, 2011 at 06:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by barls
the same configuration in the yellow bug when it was in the previous car was a lot quicker. as they have only just put together the yellow one.
remember the green but that was 3 seconds slower than a gt3 around oran park? thats a t4 naturally aspirated
heres the link to it racing.



Dont get suckered into the "gt3" comparison crap......it was most likely driven by some old business man on a "porsche club day". 95% of the cars on those club days are being driven at about 60% of what they are capable of :lol:.

vassy66T1 - July 18th, 2011 at 06:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Paulc1964au
So I assume a stroker engine is really more for racing or drag racing rather than for a daily?


Absolutely not.
The longer stroke gives more torque (good for a daily driven car) and more cubic inches (engine capacity cc's) means 'easier' horsepower: i.e. you don't need to rev the engine as hard to produce the power as a smaller stroke.