Best extended sump for type 1 motor in a street beetle..
snitz - August 17th, 2011 at 12:31 AM
Ive been doing a bit of a search on the forum regarding extended sumps . Im building a 1916 motor for my '70 beetle and looking for some feedback in
regards to the best extended sump,brand,features and capacity etc.
My beetle wont be lowered majorly and will be sporting a racked look.I just want to try and get some feedback as to whats a good quality item and not
buy junk..hopefully your personal experiences will save me from making a uninfromed purchase..thanks in advance peoples!!
cnfabo - August 17th, 2011 at 09:59 AM
pobjoy anti surge sump hands down........
68AutoBug - August 17th, 2011 at 11:24 AM
I have a cb performance small sump with a finer strainer in it..
they are great quality...
I would stay away form EMpI sumps...
as with most of their chinese copies... they will most probably leak....
LEE
snitz - August 17th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
Thanks LEE..I was looking for something like the CB performance sump..Something that has increased oil capacity aswell..the Pobjoy unit no doubt is a
good piece of gear but looks very limited in terms of increased oil capacity..thanks people
snitz - August 17th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
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Originally
posted by 68AutoBug
I have a cb performance small sump with a finer strainer in it..
they are great quality...
Do you by any chance have a part number or how many "quarts" capacity the sump is..Damn american imperial measurements or is it us lazy metric
people.. thanks Jason.
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68AutoBug - August 17th, 2011 at 12:27 PM
Hi
the larger CB Performance sumps are excellent as they also help to cool the oil down and all the oil doesn't go to one side when You go round a
corner...
combined with a spin on oil filter.. is excellent for Your engine..
IMHO
LEE
sander288 - August 17th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
what do you need heaps of extra capacity for? The Pobjoy sump adds 400ml to the capacity and you will NEVER loose pressure or pick-up whether going
round corners or over bumps.
ian.mezz - August 17th, 2011 at 12:59 PM
we have a Berg sump on one of our beetle and now it holds 6 litres.
snitz - August 17th, 2011 at 01:40 PM
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combined with a spin
on oil filter.. is excellent for Your engine..
IMHO
LEE
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I was recommended the smallest of the CB Performance sumps by my engine builder Peter Debiasi plus a remote filter set up so I can service the motor
myself using a generic falcon ryco filter. Heat disipation of the oil through volume and surface area is a reason for me to run a rather large sump.
Thanks people for your imput.
vwo60 - August 17th, 2011 at 03:40 PM
I have empi deep sumps on both of my cars and neither one leaks, one is two years old and the other is five years old.
1303Steve - August 17th, 2011 at 05:29 PM
Hi
I have a Gene Berg sump on my sons bug, it cops a hiding on speed humps etc. I really like the the special Berg attaching nuts, I'm not sure if other
sumps use this nut system but they work great.
Steve
BiX - August 17th, 2011 at 06:40 PM
If you building the enginer fron scratch, get the sump early and braze the pickup on, rather than using the hose clamp to hold it on.
Paulc1964au - August 17th, 2011 at 06:44 PM
what about a scat deep sump?
vw54 - August 17th, 2011 at 06:52 PM
buy once CRy once B E R G the only sump to buy
snitz - August 17th, 2011 at 06:55 PM
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If you building the enginer fron scratch, get the sump early and braze the pickup on, rather than using the hose clamp to hold it on.
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Definately will get the extended pick up tube braised..yeah I saw the hose clamp that holds it on..its a bit un-nerving knowing that you are relying
on an oil supply from your sump via a tube and hose clamp
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HoneyAbba - August 17th, 2011 at 07:39 PM
The Stan sump or similar is all thats needed and its Australian Made !
Extra oil will not give extra cooling , it will just take longer to reach running temp.
The American / Chinese ones are mostly crap. Berg or CB are the exceptions..
hellbugged - August 17th, 2011 at 08:14 PM
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Originally
posted by 1303Steve
Hi
I have a Gene Berg sump on my sons bug, it cops a hiding on speed humps etc. I really like the the special Berg attaching nuts, I'm not sure if other
sumps use this nut system but they work great.
Steve
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GENE BERG for me
colin - August 17th, 2011 at 08:43 PM
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Originally
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buy once CRy once B E R G the only sump to buy
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Years of Hillclimbing and bloody hard racing, Berg is still the best, no leaks ever.
Cheers Col
Super1302 - August 19th, 2011 at 09:06 PM
Berg for me as well.
LOWBUG - August 19th, 2011 at 09:27 PM
Yeh me Berg as well, would't waste my time with a Australian made fith pistion.
zayus - August 19th, 2011 at 10:05 PM
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... would't waste my time with a Australian made fith pistion.
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Looking @ your avatar, you only drive in a straight line. No wonder, you have no need for one of Stan's sumps. 
HoneyAbba - August 19th, 2011 at 10:53 PM
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Yeh me Berg as well, would't waste my time with a Australian made fith pistion.
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Australian made stuff is usualy far sup
Berg ones are good , I have on 2 different cars but the do NOT stop oil surge during hard cornering.They require lots of internal mods to stop the oil
surge. Very dissapointing
Governor - August 20th, 2011 at 10:22 AM
Berg is THE only way to go, forget the rest buy the best.
colin - August 20th, 2011 at 07:25 PM
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posted by LOWBUG
Yeh me Berg as well, would't waste my time with a Australian made fith pistion.
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Australian made stuff is usualy far sup
Berg ones are good , I have on 2 different cars but the do NOT stop oil surge during hard cornering.They require lots of internal mods to stop the oil
surge. Very dissapointing
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What size oil pump are you running?
Maybe the pump is emptying the sump.
I run a small size pump and have truck loads of pressure at all rev levels.
IMHO oversize oil pumps are simply not necassary in our humble little motors.
I may be hailed down but years of racing and engine teardowns tell me what works.
Cheers Col
Gracey - August 20th, 2011 at 08:08 PM
For quality and something that works get the Pobjoy sump, it's proven itself on multiple race cars and it's machined out of billet alloy, and it's
Australian Made.
matberry - August 20th, 2011 at 08:10 PM
I use Berg or Scat that I modify. I agree with Colin that too big an oil pump is most likely the cause with oil surge issues if running a properly
setup deep sump.
HoneyAbba - August 21st, 2011 at 06:38 AM
we only use small pumps in our roundy race cars, but they do see high rpm around 8ooo.
Also lots of traction with large slicks and LSD
we had to section off the the inside of the Berg sump plus other internal mods
cheers Col.
colin - August 21st, 2011 at 10:49 AM
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Originally
posted by HoneyAbba
we only use small pumps in our roundy race cars, but they do see high rpm around 8ooo.
Also lots of traction with large slicks and LSD
we had to section off the the inside of the Berg sump plus other internal mods
cheers Col.
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Sounds like your all over the problem, good work.
It,s all part of the fun i reckon, solving little issues to make our little bugs giant killers on the track.
Never used a Pobjoy sump, but lots of other people swear by them, so they must work.
Cheers Col
matberry - August 21st, 2011 at 10:54 AM
I saw Onion's years ago that was similar to what Honey's talking about. 4 Qt Berg with diagonal baffles and flappers for surge control. Good for
over 9k.
HoneyAbba - August 21st, 2011 at 06:24 PM
Yep its a Hellbug idea but without those big arse return lines , also added extra baffles..