i reckon the only thing the new rules will do is decrease the number of import race tuned cars crashing and increase the number of teenagers crashing smaller and ill designed cars at speeds the car is not capable of handling.

that being said i feel sorry for the people on this forum like alex holzl who will have to live with the rules regardless of their driving ability.

i am not affected by the new rules, but i'd like to know your opinions

don;t have them Qld P plates that is

Sorry must clarify they don't have to dispaly P Plates

If alex's car is natrually aspirated, there is no problem for him to drive it.

actually quite a lot of performance car parts are banned, several of which are on alex's car. car parts built specifically to incease power are banned, however little things like extractors are not.

thats what i have been led to believe

Yeah thats what i thought but it says:

Prohibited vehicles are those with:

Eight or more cylinders.
A turbocharged engine.
A supercharged engine.
*Engine performance modifications.*
Certain high performance six cylinder engine vehicles

So im spewing but ill write in saying i wanted somethin with alittle more power so i dont get in the way on the road... lol

alex

hey alex ill trade cars with you until you get off the ps, ill be real gentle with it

hahaha yeh now worries mate ill drop it off in the moring!

the rules are inconsistent. because a 5 or 10 year old daihatsu use turbos to actually allow its 60kw (ish) cars to move somewhere, they are assumed a rocketship and are banned. however, p platers can drive any current model 180kw falcon or 190kw bombadore. i think these rules reinfocre the government's ignorance in actually trying to reduce the road toll.

are there any regulations about the angle of the seat back. Why not just name the 'banned list' by model - they do it for importable cars, every insurer has a database - how hard can it be.

i think it should be based on a power to weight ratio, the same way as bikes are done

they should be spending their money on actually educating and training us instead of thoughtless blanket bans to impress the average ' a current affair ' viewer

The rules in Victoria are power to weight based, but I still see stupidly modified cars with five teenagers in them.

My cousin used to drive far too fast in a Morris Marina (yes, that is a very crap car) and we used to go for drives with him. Until I realised that he was driving far too fast even for my tastes.

A copper is not going to be able to recognize many of the best mods to engines (blue printing and fine tolerance parts, lightweight pistons, larger injectors / fuel pumps, ported heads, hand tuned ECUs) by visual inspection alone. Yet, doing those things can raise an engines power over stock by more than 25%. Only the drain pipe morons who have this fascination for no back pressure (and an extra kW or two) will get caught by these regs.

These are definitely stupid - and I bet they'll talk themselves into a corner and it'll be years before they can be changed.

Andrew

most of the cops in adeliade dont care about us i have a r31 skyline lowered,4.5 inch cannon muffler puts out about 135-150db had them sityting behind me dont care front bumper is just sitting on (unco drifting accident) but they would rather get sum 1 4 speeding one of my mates has a toyota sprinter 4age enging conversion 6 degress negative camber cops have pulled him over 100`s of times but they dont worrie!

i feel sorry for you eastern states boys

here in the wide open west..we dont get hassled too much at all


there are no special p plate laws over here.

and you can drive whichever car you feel fit.

i have seen a p plater or two in the exotic types (porsches, ferraris, maseratis)

i to feel sorry for you lot.


Anthony

a mate of mine drives a V8 VN exec.. it is under the power to weight ratio, but he got done for "capacity to weight"... but not done for his 19" wheels, where the stock is 16"

I dont think thdese laws will help anything myself... big engines dont crash cars... dickheads do.

Most any car made within the last 40 nyears will do 100k's... e3eaisly enought to kill you in an accident... hell, you can die in a head on at 50! Like jeezus... most of opur VW's are capable of at least 110 stock, and that's on 4 cylinders in a 40 year old engine... my Kombi maxes at 130kph... a graveyard speed in an accident.

The way I see it, if bigger cars are progressively bamned... kids will just push there shitty little Korean deathtraps way past there limit's... and these cars werent designed to handle at rediculous speeds.

Not that there is any less chance of them being involved in a serious accident if they are in a a big fast car... the risk remains. However it stands to reason that anybody stands a greater chance of survivng a meeting with a pole or tree in a n Falcon than they do in a crappy old Charade or Barina. and they are more likely to lose control of a car and die at high speeds in a small poorly made econobox.

my point is, the governments logic is screwed up... the only way to cut th road toll is to either have everyone putting around in 1949 Kombi's, or get rid of the nobs off the road, or better still, educate young drivers so there are no nobs... banning V8's is just a useless kneejerk solution, and achieves nothing.

anywho... the laws dont affect me, unless I decide to put a V8 in my Kombi

Hey so im not the only kid that likes kombis. By the way i am Lachlan I own a volkswagen kombi. talk soon

That is totally crap. I got my learners now and i cant get an open license until im 20 and thats if i dont fain anything. Too long of time on p plates.
i dont mint the power regs though, we dont have any cars that powerful

My youngest got his L's yesterday. I asked about an exemption - but it isn't needed until he gets his P's, so he had his first drive in the M5.

I'm trying to convince him that the Squareback is what he needs (its just sitting there .......) but he reckons he doesn't like the look of the rear end! He'll change his mind when no-one else gives him a car to carry his big Marshall amp in....