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Country Buggy Steering wheel
steveo169 - October 19th, 2016 at 04:55 PM

Hi All

As the title says - looking for one. Its for my current KO668 resto
I am aware of the ebay one - I think its too pricey.

Please pm me any leads or options . I would love to know
thanks in advance

Steve


steveo169 - November 8th, 2016 at 11:35 PM

Hi all
Any leads I'm
Still in need
Cheers
Steve


11CAB - November 9th, 2016 at 06:00 AM

No steering wheels for you, but we have KO669 here in Brisbane.


ztnoo - November 9th, 2016 at 08:26 AM

Graham,
Is this a listing saying KO 669 is for sale?
Curious.
Steve

* Election Day USA 2016, Nov. 8


11CAB - November 9th, 2016 at 06:00 PM

No Steve, just saying that it's cool that two consecutive KO numbers are on opposite sides of the country.


ztnoo - November 9th, 2016 at 11:33 PM

OK.....got it now.
My misunderstanding. :spin:
The noted extreme physical separation of successive KO numbers is interesting.
One might assume they would more likely be in closer physical proximity to each other.
They as about as greatly separated from each other as possible, and still be on the same continent.
Interesting.


steveo169 - November 10th, 2016 at 10:58 AM

they were originally close to each other, but they cant get close to each other now without a steering wheel..................


11CAB - November 10th, 2016 at 06:11 PM

PM sent


waltermitty - November 11th, 2016 at 01:43 PM

znoot what does the script in your avatar say?


ztnoo - November 11th, 2016 at 02:43 PM

Molon Labe:
Translated Greek for "Come and get it." Pronounced "Moh-lone Lah-Veh". Originates from King Leonidas of Sparta, in a message to King Xerxes of Persia, when an overwhelming Persian army demanded that 300 Spartan warriors drop their weapons. Leonidas replied "Molon Labe" (Come and get them) and 300 of his Spartans, and Leonidas himself, were killed, but in so doing killed and took huge tolls on the enemy and stalled the Persian army for long enough to let the rest of Greece prepare themselves for the war.


steveo169 - November 11th, 2016 at 11:41 PM

Thanks for bumps boys
Now anyone got a steering wheel before this becomes the cb hijack capital!
Avatar says - get Steve a steering wheel and a rear seat and he promises to be at valla!
S


ztnoo - November 12th, 2016 at 12:30 AM

Good one!!! :tu:

You're right! My historical review was just bull hockey from across the Big Pond. :lol:
It really does mean "get Steve a steering wheel and a rear seat and he promises to be at valla"!


11CAB - November 12th, 2016 at 06:05 AM

Hey Steve, can we add you to the list of people taking their Country Buggy the Valla 2018? Currently have over 30CB's intending to go.


ztnoo - November 12th, 2016 at 07:14 AM

Quote:

Currently have over 30CB's intending to go.


Wow, really??? :spin:
When and where is that event held?
That would be unreal to see that many CBs in the same place!


steveo169 - November 12th, 2016 at 10:30 AM

You can ad me if I get a steering wheel and rear seat!


ztnoo - November 12th, 2016 at 12:01 PM

Here are a few clues from Bill Moore's original history of the VW Country Buggy. It's especially noteworthy lots of CB parts were not proprietary to the vehicle. Volkswagen Australasia Ltd was attempting to use as many surplus parts as possible on the CB production.

http://members.netro.com.au/~vwcc/cb.htm 

"Component sharing

To satisfy Head Office criteria to ensure maximum use of existing VW parts, the Country Buggy shared the following components with other VWs of the time or earlier.

Type 1 ( Beetle ) Chassis frame, front axle beam, 50 hp engine with 30 pcit carburetor, 200mm diameter clutch, rear torsion bars and spring plates, transmission with Type 2 ring gear/pinion, steering wheel from Standard split window Beetle, speedometer, fuel tank with reserve tank level and front headlight lenses (rims were black)

Type 2 ( Transporter) Steering knuckle, king pins, air cleaner with elbow, rear axle tube, axle shaft, reduction hubs, reduction gearing, brake drum mechanism, road wheels and brake components.

Type 3 Part of the pedal system, windscreen wiper arm connecting mechanism, steering box and other steering components."


Based on Bill Moore's encyclopedic knowledge of CBs, it would appear if you can chase down a "steering wheel from Standard split window Beetle", you'll be good to go.

You might have to search outside OZ........in the USA or Europe to score what you need. I'd start with eBay if I were you. Also try The Samba: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/ 

No one would claim getting one will be cheap, especially considering shipping. You may have to swallow pretty hard and ante up to get what you want. Perth isn't exactly in the center of the world's economic and trading activity. Actually its about as far remove from that as imaginable. C'est la vie.

Hope this may be helpful.

Regards,
Steve


11CAB - November 12th, 2016 at 01:31 PM

Any pics of KO668 you can share with us?


steveo169 - November 12th, 2016 at 02:36 PM

http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag145/Steveo169/image.jpg1_zpsepsqw1wn.jpg
Lots to do but it's going well. I don't have an update loaded on photobucket yet

LOL need a steering wheel and rear seat


11CAB - November 12th, 2016 at 03:28 PM

Thanks


ztnoo - November 13th, 2016 at 04:57 AM

I think there's a few potentially correct steering wheels in this search, but I suggest you be sitting down when you start reviewing pricing.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?type=text&stype=all&...

Monetary conversions can be computed here: http://www.xe.com/ 


steveo169 - November 27th, 2016 at 10:59 PM

Hi all
Trying again

Please can someone sell me a country buggy steering wheel?
Pretty please

Steveo


ztnoo - November 28th, 2016 at 01:13 AM

I looked through my original packet of CB materials I received from Bill Moore years ago.
Included was the Country Buggy Parts List
The part number listed for the steering wheel is: 111 415 655A

My guess is you are going to have an extremely difficult time finding, if you aren't probably already aware of that, the exact part number. You may have to settle for "the look" rather than "the correct production part number". There are a couple of wheels listed below with close part numbers (111 414 651A).

There may be other three spoke Beetle Steering wheels that may fill the bill. Knowing very little about VW steering wheels in detail, all I can do is point out possibilities I have found on The Samba. What you do or conclude from these is your decision and business alone. On the surface, it would appear to be several that could fill the bill for you, but only you can determine that. As I said before, be sitting down when reviewing the pricing because you may get dizzy or faint. This is a good example of the serious financial nature of owning and repairing a rare automobile made in very limited quantities 50 years ago. Not for the faint of heart.......
( http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?type=text&stype=all&... )

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1908055 

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1988655 

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1913320 

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1927058 

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1771820 

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1980841 

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1771828 

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1982454 


bevoracing - December 1st, 2016 at 08:44 AM

Hi Steve
These Petri wheels are interesting. They look similar but they arenít country buggy. Looks like the horn button might be the same.
Firstly theyíre 24 spline Pre1960, and CBs are 40 spline 60-74.
Thereís no blinker canceller plate, obviously.
The ďprofileĒ of the hand grip is different too. These have a ďdepressionĒ where the thumb rests, and depressions form the grips on the back. A CB wheel is much more of an oval shaped plain profile and the grips on the back are bumps.
The search for the origins of CB steering wheels goes on I fear.
Cheers
Tony


ztnoo - December 1st, 2016 at 09:20 AM

Tony,
Maybe you have become the CB steering wheel historian......... ;)
:tu:
Steve


nbturbo - December 1st, 2016 at 12:48 PM

Good day Tony-just read your post and some things didn't add up from what I remember about the CB steering wheel stuff I have.I knew the shaft had the early course splines like an Oval Beetle,as well as the lug welded for a steering lock,but didn't remember what the wheel splines looked like.Well now I'm stuffed,because my wheel has the later fine splines.So I tried the wheel on the shaft and it's a perfect fit.Every second steering wheel spline does nothing.Both these I took from that CB I got from Anderson.The nut is different from any Beetle one I have seen-it's got a machined sleeve that fits perfectly inside the steering wheel.My wheel has the VW part number under it-111 415 655A.


nbturbo - December 1st, 2016 at 12:49 PM

one more.I suspect the CB wheels would be from the early Split Window Kombi's.Would be interesting to find one to do a comparison,although the 111 part number is Type 1 stuff.


fish26 - December 1st, 2016 at 12:51 PM

There is no such thing as exclusive CB steering wheel, they used what surplus stock they had mainly Standard 3 spoke, mine has the factory column 24 coarse spline and yes I am also looking for a suitable steering wheel.


ztnoo - December 2nd, 2016 at 08:56 AM

Fascinating discussion!
steveo169, come up with anything yet?
Look at those links I provided?
I think you are beginning to see this will be a major investment if you are locked into finding an original steering wheel.

Apparently the parts number I supplied earlier from the CB Part List is correct.
That's not to say other flat three spoke steering wheels wouldn't fit.
I guess it what you would call a "spline dependent situation".
:rolleyes:


steveo169 - December 2nd, 2016 at 10:02 AM

Steve
No I haven't. The issue is I will continue to pursue trying to get an original one so everyone should get used to me putting a frequent bump on the thread so I keep it front and centre. I do have options and for that I am very grateful to those that have helped l but you know how it goes - more original the better. What will steer the CB will be more than a pair of vice grips but to the purest they might as well be!
SO Steve you trawl the internet on all things CB let me know via PM if you hear, see or feel one. Given I have invested in a CB the steering wheel, the seats and the windscreen are iconic and I will pursue those with earnest.
SO patience with me everyone - I am steering wheel OCD at present.
Cheers for this great thread - at least it has people digging stuff out and looking at the detail and sharing.

Cheers
Steveo


bevoracing - December 2nd, 2016 at 10:20 AM

Geezzzzzzz Gary, youíve got me out in the shed checking things while Iím supposed to be working, again. At least I can see your pictures this time, havenít seen anything of your buggy build, thereís something weird about this forumís setup.

So, what did I find. Iíve never taken my wheel off the column, until today.
Itís exactly the same as yours, except I have the cancel ring still in place.
Column is 24 spline 22mm Dia (Pre 1960 Beetle, Ghia) Bit of learning there.
Wheel is 48 spline, 22mm Dia (obviously) Fits every second spline.

Fish, mate, you canít make a statement like that without following it up with exactly what standard 3 spoke it is?

Summary :-
Beetle, Ghia to 59 = 24 spline 22mm Dia
Beetle, Type3, Ghia to 60 to 70 = 40 spline 20mm Dia
Bus to 67 = Uses a key
Bus 68 to 74 = ? (Donít know, but it looks like 40 spline in the pictures)
Steering wheel is part number 111 415 655A in the parts book, looks Type 1, but isnít.
Nut 111 415 691 doesnít show up much on the net. One site says it was discontinued by VW / Audi in 1981. Others say itís a nut, but I couldnít find a picture or what they were used on.

While they did make a number of CB specific items, itís hard to believe they had the steering wheel specially made. If they did they would have matched the column spline, youíd think, and probably used the 40 spline column. So what was it from?

Letís just say the Bus 68 Ė 74 turns out to be 48 spline, 22mm Dia ?
Perhaps then itís from a basic 68 Bus from another area, South America perhaps?
Can someone check 68 Bus for us please, I donít have one.

All part of the fun.
Cheers
Tony