| [ Total Views: 1292 | Total Replies: 14 | Thread Id: 101143 ] |
|
|
 Lateral
A.k.a.: Greg Hanley
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 480
Threads: 76
Registered: September 30th, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on March 8th, 2013 at 04:20 PM |
|
|
Fitting Tinware!!!!
Hi Guys,
Firstly, I know that Scat/Empi Chineses stuff is 'less than perfect" and that the ideal situation is to get my hands on genuine VW tinware
etc.....
As an example, here is a picture of the cylinder tinware for cylinder 3 and 4...I've checked a few other engines and it appears that this frigging
gap was part of the design!
So, whilst I understand that you can massage the aftermarket stuff to sorta like fit does anybody have any tips on how to make it fit perfectly?
or, does anybody know where I can get my hands on some genuine tinware?
Thanks Regards
Greg
| Error |
| Sorry, you must be a registered user in order to download attachments. |
|
|
|
|
ian.mezz
Wolfsburg Elder
I never said, I could write or spell
Posts: 3913
Threads: 280
Registered: September 11th, 2004
Member Is Offline
Location: Newcastle
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Happy
|
| posted on March 8th, 2013 at 05:44 PM |
|
|
looks like that you have a mixed set as you have a 1600 twin port in a single port engine bay.
|
|
|
waltermitty
Custom Title Time!
Legend when my beer goggles are on
Posts: 1993
Threads: 268
Registered: August 29th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Port Macquarie now Yipee!
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Grey
Mood: Hungry for mor
|
| posted on March 8th, 2013 at 06:03 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by ian.mezz
looks like that you have a mixed set as you have a 1600 twin port in a single port engine bay.
|
Thats why this is such a great forum Ian.
M
23 windows ...8 too many!
|
|
|
 matberry
Super Moderator
Go hard or go home
Posts: 8114
Threads: 134
Registered: March 7th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Cooroy Qld
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: enjoying waving at all my Kombi buddies from my T3
|
| posted on March 8th, 2013 at 06:14 PM |
|
|
Just the usual junk tinware. Buy a complete engine thats blown up. Worth every cent if you make sure it has all the tinware. You'll find the
knock-off tin won't hug the barrels as well as German, also the shrouds will be missing the small air vanes at the opening where the fan housing
slips in (between the sparkplugs), then the area's like you've pictured, the lower tins are worse, front and rear aprons often just not in the race.
I even believe the thermo flaps are part of the overall cooling system that helps straighten the air flow into the fins. Thing is, even the German
will need some work as you havve dual carbs whereas the OG tin had heat risers, heater pipes and usually a breather pipe, all of which may or may not
fit the exhaust, heaters and what not that your using.
The 1600 in an early engine bay isn't really to much of a problem when everything is done right.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE
 |
|
|
Joel
Scirocco Rare
Now containing 100% E-Wang
Posts: 9368
Threads: 211
Registered: February 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Purple
Mood: Tact Level 0.00
|
| posted on March 8th, 2013 at 08:20 PM |
|
|
The problem there isn't in the cylinder tinware, it's the breastplate is an aftermarket one with no heater holes or preheater cut out.
The stock cylinder tinware steps up like that for the preheat manifold clearance then a piece of tinware sits in behind the preheat pipe to seal the
gap, they are very commonly thrown out.
Not much you can do with the aftermarket tin like that when twin carbs/efi is fitted except massage it into place a bit better.
|
|
|
Lateral
A.k.a.: Greg Hanley
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 480
Threads: 76
Registered: September 30th, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on March 8th, 2013 at 09:05 PM |
|
|
Thanks guys
Regards
Greg
|
|
|
matberry
Super Moderator
Go hard or go home
Posts: 8114
Threads: 134
Registered: March 7th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Cooroy Qld
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: enjoying waving at all my Kombi buddies from my T3
|
| posted on March 9th, 2013 at 12:17 AM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
The problem there isn't in the cylinder tinware, it's the breastplate is an aftermarket one with no heater holes or preheater cut out.
The stock cylinder tinware steps up like that for the preheat manifold clearance then a piece of tinware sits in behind the preheat pipe to seal the
gap, they are very commonly thrown out.
Not much you can do with the aftermarket tin like that when twin carbs/efi is fitted except massage it into place a bit better.
|
I beg to differ Joel, these pics are how modified German tinware fits.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE
|
|
|
Joel
Scirocco Rare
Now containing 100% E-Wang
Posts: 9368
Threads: 211
Registered: February 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Purple
Mood: Tact Level 0.00
|
| posted on March 9th, 2013 at 07:51 AM |
|
|
Not sure what point you're trying to say Matt?
You can see yours is a German breast plate that you or someone has chopped the preheat surround out and welded in flat sheet metal.
Gregs is an aftermarket one stamped in some chinese sweat shop without the preheat surround and fits like shit.
The aftermarket cylinder tin isn't helping but its not the main blame here.
the fit on his would be a lot better if it was a German breast plate with the preheat surround removed and filled in like yours.
|
|
|
OZ Towdster
A.k.a.: Andrew Westwood
Custom Title Time!
Keen to finish some projects
Posts: 1921
Threads: 132
Registered: December 7th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Alexandra Hills Brisbane QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Having fun in our great land
|
| posted on March 9th, 2013 at 08:23 AM |
|
|
Greg , if your competant with a mig or tig welder , cut a pie cut back into the cylinder tin towards the centre of the engine and lower that turned
out lip then fill in with a wedge of sheetmetal and weld and cleanup .
And if you'vve got the welder out and have got some old buggered german cylinder tins , cut out the airdeflectors and fit them into your chinese tins
.
Andrew
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel
|
|
|
matberry
Super Moderator
Go hard or go home
Posts: 8114
Threads: 134
Registered: March 7th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Cooroy Qld
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: enjoying waving at all my Kombi buddies from my T3
|
| posted on March 9th, 2013 at 09:31 AM |
|
|
My point was that it is the bodgy shroud (barrel cover) that has caused the misalignment at the exhaust port, the OG tin has the folded edge at the
same height as the long outer ledge, not 8-10mm higher like in the pic.
As Andrew said above, you can weld and shape the new stuff, but that to me is only 1/4 of the problems, they don't hug the fins closely so a large
portion of air doesn't even get into the fins as it takes the path of least resistance.
Get some German tin, you'll still need the MIG to repair any cracks and modify as required.....my 2c
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE
|
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on March 9th, 2013 at 02:47 PM |
|
|
You can see the RHS heat riser pipe going down to the muffler
there is a cutout there for the heat riser pipes...
there is even a small metal cover plate to cover that up...
and block any escaping air.. lol
As suggested You need all original German tinware...
to direct the air correctly.. to where it has to go..
there should be many pics of engines with the heat riser cutouts and metal plates screwed to the outlet Muffler pipes..
I'll see if I can find some pics...
seeing You aren't using heat riser pipes...
You could weld in a couple of covers...
they don't normally look like Your pic with the gap...
LEE
| Error |
| Sorry, you must be a registered user in order to download attachments. |
|
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
kombibob
Custom Title Time!
AKA: Volkswagen Type 2 Transporter Van Robert
Posts: 1698
Threads: 173
Registered: May 15th, 2004
Member Is Offline
Location: noosa hinterland
Theme: UltimaBB Psyche Grey
Mood: at by cows
|
| posted on March 9th, 2013 at 03:50 PM |
|
|
all i can see is a yellow spring.
1961 swb buggy
1960 karmann ghia
1963 Single Cab: "El Concreto"
1963 bent 23 window " Frieda Samba "
1963 Eriba Faun camper " Cara Van daCamp"
2012 Skoda Octavia scout
Get down low and go,go,go
|
|
|
Lateral
A.k.a.: Greg Hanley
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 480
Threads: 76
Registered: September 30th, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on March 10th, 2013 at 06:25 AM |
|
|
Thanks again guys.....the next obvious question is "where's the best place to get a complete set of genuine doghouse based tinware? Also, what
model bug would it be from as it needs to fit into a 1967 bug.
Regards
Greg
|
|
|
matberry
Super Moderator
Go hard or go home
Posts: 8114
Threads: 134
Registered: March 7th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Cooroy Qld
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: enjoying waving at all my Kombi buddies from my T3
|
| posted on March 10th, 2013 at 03:02 PM |
|
|
The tin needs to suit your engine, ie 1600cc doghouse (as you know), as for fitting the car, no worries there, sometimes a slight trim is required on
the rear breast plate, that's it.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE
|
|
|
Lateral
A.k.a.: Greg Hanley
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 480
Threads: 76
Registered: September 30th, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on March 10th, 2013 at 03:45 PM |
|
|
Thanks Matt
|
|
|
