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 pete wood
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| posted on May 24th, 2013 at 03:55 PM |
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Heaters without hose outlets on the fan-shroud?
My 56 had a judson equipped 40 without heater hose outlets. It's also missing the heater boxes on the exhaust. Is there a way of getting the heater
to work without the fanshroud outlets?
Or do I need heater boxes AND a new fanshroud?
Failing all that, is anyone using a electric fan heater in their bug? I don't want to chop up the car, but if there is a simple way to put one in,
I'd consider that.
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| posted on May 24th, 2013 at 05:48 PM |
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Harden up Pete , the wind up windows and steel roof have got to be a hole lot warmer than the Buggy ever was .
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel
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pete wood
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| posted on May 24th, 2013 at 06:30 PM |
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The buggy had a very good heater actually. It gets down near 0deg where i live. Any tips on stock heaters then?
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| posted on May 24th, 2013 at 06:55 PM |
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http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-111-255-102-B
don't know how good they actually are but these would be the ticket for stock heaters
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pete wood
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| posted on May 24th, 2013 at 08:09 PM |
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Ta mate. Wish they were a little cheaper... 
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| posted on May 24th, 2013 at 09:22 PM |
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Hi Pete
I believe the simplest way is to use standard heater boxes..
the original early German ones had large heatsinks in them that give off plenty of heat'''
it gets below zero here at times in winter but the heater always works..
I couldn't live without the heater in My beetle..
the early beetles disn't have the hoses from the shroud, they stopped the heat from escaping below the push rod tubes and forced it into the
car...
the later system just used fresh air to push the heat thru the heater boxes into the cabin..
You could possibly use ambulance fans [round fans fitted to late Kombis] to suck air from below the push rod tubes to inside the cabin..
cheers
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posted by pete wood
My 56 had a judson equipped 40 without heater hose outlets. It's also missing the heater boxes on the exhaust. Is there a way of getting the heater
to work without the fanshroud outlets?
Or do I need heater boxes AND a new fanshroud?
Failing all that, is anyone using a electric fan heater in their bug? I don't want to chop up the car, but if there is a simple way to put one in,
I'd consider that.
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| posted on May 25th, 2013 at 09:25 AM |
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What I did years ago when I had heater boxes on the car but a 36hp fanshroud with no outlets was run some flexible pipe from the heater box inlet to
under the cylinders near the pushrod tubes. Worked quite well.
I don't think electric heaters will do it, however you never know.
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| posted on May 25th, 2013 at 10:07 AM |
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Mmm, thanks. Will look into that.
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| posted on May 25th, 2013 at 06:31 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Gracey
What I did years ago when I had heater boxes on the car but a 36hp fanshroud with no outlets was run some flexible pipe from the heater box inlet to
under the cylinders near the pushrod tubes. Worked quite well.
I don't think electric heaters will do it, however you never know.
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where did the air pressure come from to get air to the front etc?
electric fan??
Lee
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| posted on May 25th, 2013 at 06:34 PM |
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There are petrol heaters, but are exy/collectable.
(ô_!_/ô) (ô_!_/ô)
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| posted on May 25th, 2013 at 06:35 PM |
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El cheapo car seat warmers from china, 12V and $7.90 
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-Universal-Heated-Car-Seat-Cushion-Cover-Seat-H...
will suit half backs too.
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| posted on May 25th, 2013 at 06:36 PM |
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dunno how good these work (electric 12v heater)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-DC-Universal-Car-Auto-Electric-Portable-Space-...
Maybe aim it at your feet under the dash. Again cheap though.
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| posted on May 25th, 2013 at 09:42 PM |
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get twenty
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| posted on May 26th, 2013 at 01:31 PM |
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where did the air pressure come from to get air to the front etc?
Lee
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From the fanshroud aka the fan. It worked really well, I got the idea from an old VW guy who was into buggies, he told me that's how they did it, I
didn't think it'd work until I tried it.
The tube for the heater went straight into the airstream of the hot air coming off the cylinders, so between the pushrod tubes and the sled tinware.
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| posted on May 26th, 2013 at 04:51 PM |
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"40W/H under HI Condition"
Oooooh..... that will make you sweat! 
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on May 26th, 2013 at 04:57 PM |
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Hi Chris
didn't actually look at these, but have never ever seen an electric heater capable of actually heating the interior like a normal VW heater.. in cold
weather..
You would need a very large engine with an even larger alternator to supply enough current to all the electric heaters... lol
although many years ago, while restoring My beetle in the winter in a carport [temp about 4=6C]
I put My wifes hair dryer into the heater duct under the body and it did a great job... but about 2400 watts at 240 volts..
so a 240v hair dryer and an inverter for 3000 watts would help... maybe two of them when driving.. lol
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| posted on May 26th, 2013 at 05:01 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Gracey
What I did years ago when I had heater boxes on the car but a 36hp fanshroud with no outlets was run some flexible pipe from the heater box inlet to
under the cylinders near the pushrod tubes. Worked quite well.
I don't think electric heaters will do it, however you never know.
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You said You used the fan ??
but didn;t have heater outlets... on the shroud??
for air pressure...
LEE
PS> gets to 0C or below here at night & early mornings in winter.. so the heater needs to be good..
My car has no thermostat either.. lol
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| posted on May 26th, 2013 at 07:04 PM |
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Yeah thats right Lee, I mean the fan pushing the air over the cylinders and then into the tube. There's a lot of airflow coming out from the sleds
and it's preheated going into the heater box so it probably doesn't need as much flow.
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| posted on May 27th, 2013 at 05:55 AM |
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I've run my oil cooler on the inside before, guess you don't have a full flow oil system then pete?
Always wondered if i could run a hotrod style heater in my oil system
Quit calling rust patina
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| posted on May 27th, 2013 at 09:45 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 68AutoBug
Hi Chris
didn't actually look at these, but have never ever seen an electric heater capable of actually heating the interior like a normal VW heater.. in cold
weather..
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Quite a few small Japanese Kei cars use electric heaters, my favourite for size, availability, etc, is out of the Mazda 121 (bubble) from the
'90s.
They work well in Japan, although it only gets to 20 below up there......
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| posted on May 28th, 2013 at 08:28 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by nils
I've run my oil cooler on the inside before, guess you don't have a full flow oil system then pete?
Always wondered if i could run a hotrod style heater in my oil system
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No mate. Well not with this motor anyhow. Would like to in the future though.
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