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 narumi
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 12:49 AM |
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snapped sway away
Finally had time to pull suspension apart after the going going over a dip on the road
initial thought was yes, snapped torsion bar
but can't be coz they're 4 months old swayaway 27mm 24 11/16"
is this common for swayaway or did I carry too much weight..
in need of harder shocks or some sort of suspension limiter?
or was this a manufacture defect?
not that I can claim on warranty since CB stated "all parts as is"
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 08:36 AM |
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maybe too much travel?
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 09:17 AM |
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take close up pics of the breakage and post them. Might be able to see if its a defect or not.
I personally never heard anyone breaking a torsion bar til now.
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 09:23 AM |
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Someone with a bit of metallurgical nous might be able to tell by the breakage pattern. Vlad could be your man 
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 09:35 AM |
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Yes I agree with the above, some close up photos as stated above. From the photo it doesn't appear to be a stress (twist) fracture, but a failure.
Even still, you wouldn't be able to get it replaced as you pointed out. Buy something else and move on, but it would be nice to know if they are
defective for others.
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 09:57 AM |
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+1, I would be worried about using them if it was a defect.
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 10:50 AM |
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In all my years of fixing/playing with Volksies, I've seen one old Sway-a-way broken and 3x VW (two kombi and one beetle) break. So it's not unheard
of, just not too common. What is the car/application?
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 11:06 AM |
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In all my years of fixing/playing with Volksies, I've seen one old Sway-a-way broken and 3x VW (two kombi and one beetle) break. So it's not unheard
of, just not too common. What is the car/application?
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Some of those could have been caused by previous collision damage.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 11:38 AM |
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In all my years of fixing/playing with Volksies, I've seen one old Sway-a-way broken and 3x VW (two kombi and one beetle) break. So it's not unheard
of, just not too common. What is the car/application?
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Some of those could have been caused by previous collision damage.
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generally rust pitting on the bar causes a propagation point for the fracture to form.
New bar might of been damaged in that area or some imperfection/inclusion in the metal.
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 12:36 PM |
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were they in the correct sides?
Haven't seen a sway away snap but have seen a few stock ones break.... try getting the broken inner arm out...can be a bitch
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 01:31 PM |
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I guess that possible if they were pre-stressed type. But even with standard type I don't think they are allowed to turn the opposite direction
according to various sources.
They should be marked on the ends which side they go in.
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 02:41 PM |
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are they marked left an d right hand side
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 03:20 PM |
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i would email swayaway to get a response, it is worth a try.
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| posted on September 10th, 2013 at 09:33 PM |
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Ive seen a few. mainly offroad dudes!
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| posted on September 11th, 2013 at 12:24 AM |
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Thank you all for prompt reply.
"were they in the correct sides?"
"are they marked left an d right hand side "
Yes they are pre stressed with left and right marked
I believe I installed correctly left on passenger right on driver.
"What is the car/application?"
they were on a super.
has about 20 kg of speaker box in the back.
lowered all round. the spring plate just sit on the bottom part of the thing so there's no pre load tension.
application... daily, weekend, Track day (hopefully).
anyway the new pair of sway away arrived (bought another pair)
this time 29mm 26 9/16"
close up photo soon
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| posted on September 11th, 2013 at 01:41 AM |
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This is the best I could do tonight.
sorry but I work 2 jobs 9 am- 11pm this week
apologies in advance for late reply
there 's a suspiciously flat part where it broke clean off.
the burr on the edge is a result of attempt of hammering out
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| posted on September 11th, 2013 at 09:40 AM |
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The "flat part" doesn't sound good. Any change in section...even a chip, or scratch can create a problem.
Carefully examine the new bars, and if there are any imperfections...polish the bars. And treat them with care.
The new drive shafts for my Cooper Porsche were polished after machining, and I used heat-shrink tubing to protect them from stone chips &
scratches.
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| posted on September 11th, 2013 at 12:16 PM |
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I work with timber so what would I know  but what are those rust spots,
well they look like rust, on the broken area ?
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| posted on September 11th, 2013 at 12:30 PM |
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that would be flash rust since the breakage.
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| posted on September 11th, 2013 at 08:13 PM |
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Is that a split along the length?
You can see it continues as a dark line in the paint, and you can see the clean faces. that looks like the flaw that focussed the stress.
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| posted on September 11th, 2013 at 08:48 PM |
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I kind of agree with this, looks like there is a pre-existing fault in the bar.
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Is that a split along the length?
You can see it continues as a dark line in the paint, and you can see the clean faces. that looks like the flaw that focussed the stress.
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Is that a split along the length?
You can see it continues as a dark line in the paint, and you can see the clean faces. that looks like the flaw that focussed the stress.
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| posted on September 11th, 2013 at 10:43 PM |
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the rust was from when it rain out of no where, while taking them out,
I'll try to get another close up photo
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| posted on September 11th, 2013 at 10:58 PM |
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Is that a split along the length?
You can see it continues as a dark line in the paint, and you can see the clean faces. that looks like the flaw that focussed the stress.
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I just noticed that now. the same dark area is on both halves indicates where the crack started from and been there a little while. The fracture
appears to continue from there.
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I'll go along with that, too. That bar was always going to fail....just a matter of when.
Maybe you should get the new bars crack-tested?
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| posted on September 12th, 2013 at 10:44 AM |
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I'll go along with that, too. That bar was always going to fail....just a matter of when.
Maybe you should get the new bars crack-tested?
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X ray and magnaflux test perhaps.
Shouldn't they do that at the manufacture?
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I'll go along with that, too. That bar was always going to fail....just a matter of when.
Maybe you should get the new bars crack-tested?
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X ray and magnaflux test perhaps.
Shouldn't they do that at the manufacture?
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Yes, but I'll bet they don't....too costly. They may do random checks?
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| posted on September 12th, 2013 at 12:21 PM |
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When safety is involved there shouldn't be any compromises. Thats the problem with parts today.
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