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| posted on January 6th, 2014 at 03:38 PM |
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75 Bay without top engine hatch?
I was under the impression that all bays after about 73 had the inside engine hatch for top access to the motor area? Once the type 4 motors came in.
Have come across a 75 with no hatch cutout - did they make 2 variations of the body for the different engines? I thought they would be all the
same.
Would it be hard to retrofit a hatch?
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| posted on January 6th, 2014 at 03:51 PM |
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Only type 4 engines got the hatch, those delivered with a 1600 had no hatch
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| posted on January 6th, 2014 at 06:04 PM |
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The new Mod has the correct answer, as he should being a Mod.
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| posted on January 6th, 2014 at 09:42 PM |
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So it probably still has its original 1600. I haven't seen too many later model vans with 1600s fitted.
Not exactly stock with dual Kadron carbs but should do the trick.
Does the hatch provide any benefits for a 1600 or is it superfluous?
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| posted on January 7th, 2014 at 05:36 AM |
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What late bays were sold with type 1 motors?
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| posted on January 7th, 2014 at 06:23 AM |
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What late bays were sold with type 1 motors?
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Thats why I was curious since I thought they all came with type 4 motors after a certain date (73ish?) but according to the samba resources they
offered a 1600 type 1 motor right up to mid 1979. Mine is a 75 and still has the 1600 TP fitted and no hatch, so never been upgraded.
You learn something every day I guess. Probably puts out a little more than 50hp with dual kads and a sports system (compared to 62-70 for the 1700 to
2 litre).
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| posted on January 7th, 2014 at 09:00 AM |
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Does it have the type 4 engine bay shape?
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| posted on January 7th, 2014 at 09:01 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Governor
The new Mod has the correct answer, as he should being a Mod.
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Bizarre
What late bays were sold with type 1 motors?
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They also came out with 1200's, just not here.....not sure when the 1600 was stopped here, my guess around '75
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| posted on January 7th, 2014 at 09:04 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Does it have the type 4 engine bay shape?
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Yes, the perimeter tinware fills up the gap. It's about an acre in size 
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| posted on January 7th, 2014 at 09:15 AM |
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I was under the impression that all bays after about 73 had the inside engine hatch ...
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Just for the sake of completeness, Single and Double Cab Bays also do not have the inside hatch.
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| posted on January 7th, 2014 at 09:41 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Just for the sake of completeness, Single and Double Cab Bays also do not have the inside hatch.
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I always hated working on them for that reason
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| posted on January 7th, 2014 at 04:34 PM |
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1600's were still common in Europe until the end of production. I believe the army here ordered van's with 1600 in the mid 70's. so there were a
number of 1600 fitted late bay's in Oz.
Yes there was tinware available to allow a 1600 (upright) motor fit the type 4 motor profile in the engine bay.
I have heard (but never seen or confirmed myself) T3's (T25's/Vanagon's) were available with a 1600 also in the early air cooled models. That being
said I do not think there is room to do this?
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| posted on January 7th, 2014 at 05:44 PM |
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Hi
Those were CT / CZ Engines read about them here http://www.tunacan.net/t4/tech/ct-cz.shtml
Steve
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| posted on January 7th, 2014 at 08:29 PM |
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Very interesting read Steve.
I have noted the 1600 is mentioned in quite a few parts suppliers for T25's including Just Kampers and I figured it was an error as what is basically
a type 1 1600 engine was meant to lug around a massively heavy T25?
It must have been a very low cost poverty pack option.
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| posted on January 8th, 2014 at 08:49 AM |
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Its a strange one, you wonder about all the development cost involved in producing such an underpowered motor but some ideas carried over into the
Wasserboxer motor.
Case might be good to build an upright hotty?
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| posted on January 8th, 2014 at 09:27 AM |
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Australian T2s had the 1600 until 1975. DC and SC did not get the 1700 or 1800.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!
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| posted on January 8th, 2014 at 03:43 PM |
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Thanks for the link Steve, great reading.
It's not unusual for VW, I have an early 411, it has a type 4 motor with magnesuim case which also was 1 year only, it was re-designed for the
following year and not interchangable!
Low compression motors were often for markets that had poor or unreliable fuel soruces
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| posted on January 9th, 2014 at 06:52 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Low compression motors were often for markets that had poor or unreliable fuel soruces
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Australia.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!
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