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| posted on November 5th, 2002 at 09:46 PM |
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You used to be able to buy a conversion kit for this. Sharpe Built in Qld was the company I think. Used the T1 fan with fiberglass shrouds on the
engine. Looked pretty simple to do.
Dunni about the gearbox, I think tunnel case swing axle boxes are all the same, except for the final drive ratios and the lenght of the axles??:bounce
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| posted on November 6th, 2002 at 09:44 AM |
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The biggest problem is the tranny, as you need the later style throw out bearing to fit the type 4 clutch. unless you are able to get hold of a
flywheel that has a type 4 centre that a type 1 clutch bolts up to. i know Kennedy Engineering makes em. Other than that the box should hold up,
especially in a light car like a beetle. Although if it is an early box it will have the low final ratio so highway speeds will be fun, supposedly
with a type 4 in a beetle u dont even need 1st gear most of the time because there is so much damn torque!
You can modify a type 1 shroud to do the job, although it isnt that pretty and cooling isnt really even. a 911 cooling system will overcool a
stocker, have u ever looked at the DTM shroud?
http://www.spiretech.com/~opshroud/
it has very even cooling, is cheap compared to a real 911 shroud and it can cool up to about 2.6L.
Jon
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| posted on November 6th, 2002 at 02:21 PM |
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All you need to know about converting a type4 engine for use in a bug can be found in Joe Cali's Manual on the subject.
His site http://home.att.net/~nextgen/index.html has lots of info on
it, including a link to Sharpbuilt in Toowoomba who indeed do make conversion components.
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| posted on November 6th, 2002 at 08:46 PM |
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I am about 1/3 way through this exact process (installing a 2L type IV into my 63 beetle). I am going with the type I style cooling from Sharpbuilt
(haven't got it yet so can't comment on quality). This system bypasses the oil from the stock cooler location through hoses to an oil cooler
mounted to the shroud in a doghouse style fan shroud. Hard to understand I know....until you see it.
My engine will have a stock (balanced) 2L crank and rods, 215mm flywheel with pilot bush pressed in so I can run a late 12V swingaxle box....you
can't fit a 228 flywheel in easily! I am using 2L heads with 1800 valves (larger than 2L) and a reground cam. 40 dells and sharpbuilt cooling
system.
This post is getting long, let me know if you have any other questions (I may be able to help - unless of course the questions relate to a step I
haven't got to yet!)
Alan
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| posted on November 6th, 2002 at 08:54 PM |
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Check out these sites for some more detailed info:
http://www.tunacan.net/t4/links.htm
http://www.qtm.net/~persoj/type4.htm
http://www.shoptalkforums.com - go into the type 4rum section
Alan
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| posted on November 6th, 2002 at 09:48 PM |
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what exhaust and where do u get it?
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| posted on November 6th, 2002 at 10:19 PM |
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yeah, exhaust is a hard bit, not many systems around and they are all $$$.
yeah i got a 63 as well and i wanna do a T IV conversion one day as well, i guess it'd be a good opportunity to switch to an IRS pan to overcome
the throwout bearing problem as well as to improve handling
Jon
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| posted on November 6th, 2002 at 10:49 PM |
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a friend told me you just cut the ends off the standard kombi exhaust and shorten it to fit?
marcel
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| posted on November 6th, 2002 at 11:09 PM |
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I still haven't decided on exhaust....an ahnendorp system would be ideal ( http://www.ahnendorp.com ) but at 295 euros it is a little out of my range (not to mention the kafer cup racing exhaust
which retails for 1153 euros!!).
I think Sharpbuilt sells some system (4 into 1 extractors to fit into a beetle I think).
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| posted on November 7th, 2002 at 10:45 PM |
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So far, $375 for base engine (1800, plus a 2L crank and rods), $500 for reco'd heads (2L with 1800 valves - 3 angle valve grind etc), $150 for
reground cam (not sure of specs) and resurfaced stock lifters, $95 for engine gasket kit, $800 for twin 40 dells and linkages, $80 for type IV
manifolds.
Holy crap, around $2000 already!!
I still expect to spend around $400 for case work (drill, clean and tap oil galleys, align bore if necessary), crank regrind and balancing (crank,
rods, pulley, flywheel and pressure plate). Plus bearings (availability is a killer - still looking) - not sure how much? In terms of upright
conversion, I expect around $600 (get a quote off Sharpbuilt to be precise), plus extra for a doghouse shroud, plus around $250 for exhaust. Then
there is cam bearings, oil pump if necessary, $370 roughly for a 215mm pressure plate/clutch plate/throw out bearing kit, plus other stuff I can not
remember at the moment!!
The costs quickly add up for type IV stuff, but if you have carbs and a base 2L already that will help. All up around $3-4.5K depending on how much
other stuff I decide to get - I am building it myself to save some cashola.
Add in a later 12V swingaxle box that I will have to buy and have rebuilt (around $700-800), and now I really hope the "love and kisses"
doesn't see this post!!
Alan
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| posted on November 7th, 2002 at 10:50 PM |
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I could have built a type I for a lot cheaper but really liked the idea of Type IV power (I shouldn't have spent so much time on
Shoptalkforums.com - type4rum....bad influence!).
Supposedly the torque these engines provide is pretty awesome, plus the engine life if built correctly is a big draw card. Plus you can build a pretty
much stock 2L without worrying about case clearancing concerns and other hi-po bits required for a 2L plus type I (no I'm not bagging them....I
will be building a type I next time most likely).
Good luck:cry
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| posted on November 9th, 2002 at 09:16 AM |
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i think brad has made a few upright conversions in his time??????????
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