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 posted on December 6th, 2003 at 06:41 PM |
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leaking fuel line
There has been a leak in my fuel line somewhere in the tunnel. It was a gradual leak as the car started to smell of fuel gradually over a about
week's time. But when it let go, it was dripping out of the fork ends in the tunnel and from the front gearbox mount too. I have since drained my
tank.
The rear fuel line is fine all the way to the tunnel, as is the front line. so how the f%#@$ am i going to get into the tunnel to check out where
exactly its leaking from? I Think it may be from the front end as the chassis was a bit wet where the floorpans connect with the tunnel section.
I've got the fuel tank out and that doesn't help me locate the leak at all...
FYI: the front and rear solid lines sticking out from the chassis are movable (in and out) bye a couple inches.
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| posted on December 6th, 2003 at 08:26 PM |
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Bugger,
No idea dude!! Running a separate fuel line may be the only choice. Will be hard to find a neat place to run it though.
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 04:26 AM |
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Hiya dude,are you 100% sure its leaking inside the tunnel,see if you can pressurize the line get a short length of hose screw a bolt in one end and
hoseclamp it to the fuel line on the other end hoseclamp a longer length of hose and attach it to an airline or pump or blow in it,sounds good in
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 10:05 AM |
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It appears to be in the tunnel, i wouldn't be leaking from the rear fuel line where the flexible lines connect with the solid ones as the fuel
was leaking from in front of that area (and the car is on a slight incline biased towards the rear)
The front fuel line is new(er) and is in good nick. So... I dunno... i'll keep on poking around, but I think I'll need to find a way to get
into the tunnel.. even if its only a small hole so i can see whats going on...
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 07:31 PM |
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Tunnel - Fuel Line
Let us know how you go. I have my pan apart at the moment and will be building it back up in the New Year (finally now I am likely to at least be in
the same city by then). I can see through my tunnel as I have everything off, but can't suggest anything except the pressure idea.
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 10:42 PM |
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a temporary fix:
get some copper or steel tubing and bypass the tunnel fuel line. Run it under the car, or inside the cabin. Replacing the fuel line inside the
tunnel is quite difficult. Im swapping pans now so its easy when the body is off the pan |
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| posted on February 4th, 2004 at 09:48 AM |
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Hey guys
I've done the pressure thing with mouth pressure and I can feel the air leaking, so there must be a decent hole in there somewhere! I'll
stop kidding myself and face the fact that I'll need to run a new fuel line. I'm thinking of running it in the cabin so it won't corrod
on the outside...
Any tips on how I should proceed? How to adhere the line to the chassis? run a solid line through a sheath of rubber fuel line for protection against
scuffing?... etc?
Even if I can find out where in the tunnel the leak is coming from, what can I do about it since it's in the tunnel?
sorry about all these seemingly stoopid Qs...
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| posted on February 4th, 2004 at 10:11 AM |
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Tofu
you may or may not care but i think there is some rule that says a fuel line cant run inside the occupied cabin.
Maybe a copper tube inside a copper tube run along side the side frame running board support???
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| posted on February 4th, 2004 at 10:18 AM |
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I wasn't aware of such a rule. erk! So, you're sugesting running it next to the the running board mount?
What do you think of the chances of threding it through the tunnel? Like when you're trying to install electic cables in the walls of your house?
The bad thing is, that the line won't be secured in the tunnel... is that not complying with RTA standards too?
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| posted on February 4th, 2004 at 10:27 AM |
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may be send a email to Wes. He would have had to do something with his return line on his fuel injection.
Maybe if you get on his web site he might have mentioned something there :jesus
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| posted on February 5th, 2004 at 09:58 PM |
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i had exactly the same problem, with a fuel smell and the fuel leaking out the back when the front was lifted up, it ended up being the Front join of
the flexi line to the solid line. The fuel would run down the line into the tunnel. |
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| posted on February 6th, 2004 at 11:49 AM |
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so in your case, it was the flexi line from the fuel tank to the solid line?
hmmmmmm
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| posted on February 8th, 2004 at 11:08 PM |
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How should I go about installing a new fuel line? any ideas?
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Thru the tunnel fuel line- flexible or not...
I have put a length of 7 core cable thru the tunnel.. I just drilled a hole below the fuel tank, put a rubber grommet in the hole and threaded a piece
of stiff wire thru to the back. I then drilled a 20mm hole in the tunnel under the rear seat, added a rubber grommet and hooked onto the wire in the
tunnel with another piece of wire with a hook bent into it.... and then thru another grommet thru to the outside next to the gearbox...
Your fuel line should be able to go the same way, whether You use copper pipe or a good quality flexible fuel line... cheers .. Lee
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| posted on February 9th, 2004 at 05:35 PM |
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oval TOFU,
Have a look at the "Inside a Bug" pics on my website, will show
you what you are up against in the tunnel.
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| posted on February 9th, 2004 at 09:58 PM |
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| posted on February 15th, 2004 at 10:50 AM |
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wheres the front access hatch (like the rear access hatch under the rear seat..) or am I away with the :sandrine coz there's no such thing as a
front access hatch?
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| posted on February 15th, 2004 at 08:56 PM |
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its where the front beam mounts on i think |
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| posted on February 16th, 2004 at 07:27 AM |
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I was thinking it may have been that panel. I've still go the push-rod handbrake mechanism, so I thought that panel was to access the
brake....
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| posted on May 25th, 2004 at 11:46 PM |
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yep, i'm going to ressurrect this post:
If I run another fuel line through the tunnel (steel braided perhaps? or copper fuel line encased in another flexible line to resist abrasion) is it
ok that it's not actually anchored inside the tunnel: it'll be just threaded through from the front to the back using the exsisting holes... Will it
scuff on anything sharp inside? It looks pretty smooth from those cut away pics in Old Dubber's website...
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| posted on May 26th, 2004 at 12:51 AM |
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you can purchase some new EVA tube * plastic * fuel grade I have just purchased some big bore tube for my mates drag car 1/2 bore .
You would be better doing it in Plasic with a sleve or copper and a sleve get the copper tube on a roll it will be flexable .
At this time fit a on /off ball valve near the tank you will need FPM or PTFE seals in there for this aplication .
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| posted on May 27th, 2004 at 02:48 AM |
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Im not real keen on copper,ide run steel or stainless. |
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| posted on May 27th, 2004 at 01:29 PM |
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seagull: any particular sleeve I should insert the metal (probably stainless steel) tubing in through? Just normal black fuel line stuff like you
suggested?
lugnuts: yeh, i agree. I heard over time they get brittle and are prone to fatigue
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| posted on October 22nd, 2004 at 08:16 PM |
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yep, its taken me a long time, but I've established that the fuel is leaking from inside the tunnel. I poured about 500ml of water through
my fuel line and after about 10 mins, i saw a water seep into the rear of the tunnel cavity (looking through the access panel under the rear seat).
So now that I know I HAVE TO REPLACE my fuel line, do I do it through the tunnel? - or somewhere else?
What's legal?
What's illegal?
What's easy?
What's recommended?
please help!
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| posted on October 25th, 2004 at 09:19 AM |
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Hey I just have replaced my fuel line in my pan. The body is off so it is a lot easier.
basically i bought:
- 3/8" OD "Bundy tube" which is a soft annealed steel tubing which is bendable by hand. I bought it from Coventrys and it was a PBR Australia
product (they make brake products). Galvanised to stop rust. 6m roll was about $30
- 12.5mm clear polyurethane tubing, this was used as a sheath over the entire length of the fuel line to act as a full length grommet. This is soft
and flexible tubing - it stops the tube from getting damaged and it stops it from rattling.
- Am going to be getting some compressing fittings to fit on each end.
I basically pulled out the old tube which someone had replaced before - it was copper and snapped after a few bends ! Drilled some holes and after a
lot of bending and shoving etc. Eventually routed two lengths through. I ran two lines so EFI would be easy later on. I drilled holes along the
tunnel which i used Zip ties to attatch the fuel line with. The grommets I used at each end were standard ones which i routed out to the larger
diameter with a dremel.
The tubing is about 8mm ID which should be large enough for a street car. The tube itself is rated at about 3000 PSI and the fittings should take
about that much as well. I think most EFI is about 50PSI??? so it should be fine. I'll post some pics up soon in member's rides.
Note:
It is illegal to run fuel line through the cabin, so it has to be either in the tunnel or outside the car.
Steel tube is definitely prefered because it doesnt work harden as easily as copper and is stronger. The tube was a bit of a pain to route through -
more just a paitience thing.
Another option is to run flexible line in the tunnel, although i chose hard line because i just wanted to set it and forget it.
[Edited on 24-10-2004 by Che Castro]
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| posted on October 31st, 2004 at 11:38 PM |
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Thanks heaps Che! Thats the info I was looking for! Just sonme Q's though:
When you used the zip ties to secure the line, did yo drill the holes in the side of the tunnel (on the passenger side I would presume)
I thought there are verticle partitions in the tunnel? I know there's one just forward of the gear shifter, so how would you get it through there?
Which end did you start to insert the tubing from? front or rear?
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| posted on November 1st, 2004 at 08:35 AM |
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Hi,
I drilled holes on both sides to secure the two fuel lines. I ran one line out at the back next to where the clutch tube comes out, this one was
ziptied to the clutch tube where you get at the shift coupler.
First I disconnected the existing fuel line. The previous owner had used 5mm copper tubing and used tiewire to attatch it to one of the other metal
lines inside the tunnel, this was cut out and removed. Drilled the holes, 4 in total. I Basically went in from the front and curved the ends and the
tube as needed to clear stuff in the tunnel. There is a slight partition at the front of the tunnel near the pedal cluster but I just bent the tubing
so it went over it.
I used brass compression fittings which were suitable for the tubing and gave enough of a grip on the tubing. These fittings are dead easy to use,
you have to make sure the end is relatively circular and straight and flat. Then you whack it on and tighten it up. tightening it forces a little
ring inside the fitting to swage itself into the tube. They are ok for up to about 1000psi i think!
I'll post some pics in my members rides soon
Jon
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