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 lowdown
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| posted on December 23rd, 2003 at 06:02 PM |
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so lugnuts let me get this right rolling with adjusters on the 'illegal scale' is a one and no shocks is a six then where does murder,rape
ad pedaphilea come in at? if you ask me then no shocks and adjusters are the same on the 'illegal scale'
OIL DRIPPERS
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| posted on December 24th, 2003 at 01:27 AM |
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I thought we we talken bout cars,but anyway yes sounds right,adjusters>1,no shocks>6,murder>9,rape>10. |
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Cam
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| posted on December 24th, 2003 at 09:30 AM |
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adjust your top adjuster to work against your bottom one. Then they won't bounce. Locks up your front end, but no bounce 
Anyhoo, verra nice rides you boys have over there. World class, something for us to live upto.
Cheers!
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| posted on December 25th, 2003 at 02:18 PM |
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People editing my shit again must be some lame ass jelous fucker...
English hows this for english
Fuck
yourself admin...
Hey Scott hows that ozlook goin..:sandrine
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| posted on December 27th, 2003 at 09:43 AM |
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you will see it when its done.
Scott R.
PRAISE THE LOWERED
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| posted on December 27th, 2003 at 09:54 AM |
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is the RHD taking off over there is it?
the new cal look ?
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kustomkool
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| posted on December 27th, 2003 at 08:43 PM |
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Theres no use trying to educate a bunch of meat heads they where all running 14 inch bathurst globes sporting the mullholland look only a few years
ago.You would get more response pissing against a wall they know shit about anything accept giving shit.Why waste your time...
Losers true blue..
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| posted on January 4th, 2004 at 10:48 PM |
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by the way
wat colour is that split beetle, anyone know the paint code?
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One man's junk...
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| posted on January 6th, 2004 at 10:28 AM |
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no shocks
ive read trayle D's ejustification for fitting no socks and feel the need to add some comments.
a stock beam has stock length torsion leaves that have a certain value of spring rate, this is designed to match the various dry and gross weights of
the bug under all circumstances. all springs under load have natural harmonics. natural harmonics in the suspension of a car need to be eliminated.
this is what shocks do.
when trayle narrows a beam he shortens the torsion leaves. these torsion leaves still have the same springyness but the force needed to move the
wheels up is increased as the rate of twist on each leaf is increased.
as you change the spring rate you change the natural harmonic frequencies that the beam has. these harmonics still exist and will exist under some
driving conditions.
you will have to calculate these frequencies and pay a shock manufacturer like, spax, koni, bilstien etc to make a custom shock suited to damp the
natural harmonic frequencies that would occur.
its what ALL motorsport team do. its why the shock on the WRC works mitsubishi we have in the workshop cost £5000 each.
i respect what the GF do with paint and bodies but dont for one second get paint and panel confused with dynamics and safety. |
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Unity-28
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| posted on January 6th, 2004 at 10:36 AM |
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Thats your opinion.....No-one here is telling everyone to narrow their beam, and not to put shocks on, its your own choice, but critisizing someones
choice is a little wrong.
And one last thing, Do you really think that the GFK would risk damaging these rides of their's? Think for just a second....Have you thought
yet?
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| posted on January 6th, 2004 at 11:22 AM |
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I'm so not getting into this.
They cruise in these cars, they don't fang 'em about, which is fine! Start driving like I do and you'll have problems. Infact you
won't have problems, because they'll just understeer straight off the bat. So you'll stick to cruising.
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| posted on January 6th, 2004 at 02:46 PM |
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wow, such a catfight!
horses for courses is what I say |
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| posted on January 6th, 2004 at 07:42 PM |
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Thats your opinion.....No-one here is telling everyone to narrow their beam, and not to put shocks on, its your own choice, but critisizing someones
choice is a little wrong.
And one last thing, Do you really think that the GFK would risk damaging these rides of their's? Think for just a second....Have you thought yet?
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did steve irwine say something like this? i suppose it would take a 6.6 earthquake to make a GFK car with no shocks lose control |
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| posted on January 7th, 2004 at 09:21 AM |
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In my opinion Steve Irwin did nothing wrong, cause the footage doesnt show any of the other people in the enclosure telling him what the croc is
doing, and for all those people who say "but the baby had no choice" A baby has no choice to get in a car that some dickhead parent speeds
in either, Whats more dangerous? I say speeding! But thats another story. I bet anyone that has a massive motor has more of a chance of losing
control of their car, than someone with a norrowed beam with no shocks.
But hey, believe what you want, Im over it!
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| posted on January 8th, 2004 at 01:32 PM |
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posted by jimby
ive read trayle D's ejustification for fitting no socks and feel the need to add some comments.
a stock beam has stock length torsion leaves that have a certain value of spring rate, this is designed to match the various dry and gross weights of
the bug under all circumstances. all springs under load have natural harmonics. natural harmonics in the suspension of a car need to be eliminated.
this is what shocks do.
when trayle narrows a beam he shortens the torsion leaves. these torsion leaves still have the same springyness but the force needed to move the
wheels up is increased as the rate of twist on each leaf is increased.
as you change the spring rate you change the natural harmonic frequencies that the beam has. these harmonics still exist and will exist under some
driving conditions.
you will have to calculate these frequencies and pay a shock manufacturer like, spax, koni, bilstien etc to make a custom shock suited to damp the
natural harmonic frequencies that would occur.
its what ALL motorsport team do. its why the shock on the WRC works mitsubishi we have in the workshop cost £5000 each.
i respect what the GF do with paint and bodies but dont for one second get paint and panel confused with dynamics and safety.
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At what point and with what formula will you use to factor in the two beams fighting eachother with the adjusters spread apart more that factory????
This also has an effect on the "spring rate" and the way that the sprung wieght of the car is distributed. If you read my posts closely
youll see that I have also said that custom suspension is aways "give and take". You can not do one thing in one direction with it and not
expect it to effect something else in a totaly different way. But if you want my opinion of what a narrowed beam narrowed more than 4.5 inches
without shocks rides like???? Well, it rides much, much better than any other lowered VW Ive ever rode in, and I have 17 years of custom VW
experience. And any of my customers would say the same.
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i respect what the GF do with paint and bodies but dont for one second get paint and panel confused with dynamics and safety.
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Im not sure what this is implying but I assure you, I am a moog certified mechanic with an accosiates degree in Automotic and Autotronics, not some
know nothing, clueless, lack of theory, shade tree mechanic that has come up with a baseless theory. I have been working on this for more than 10
years. My experties has nothing to do with "paint and bodies". Now, I respect your knowledge of WRC mitsubishi shocks, but dont for one
second confuse WRC mitsubishis with VW front suspension. That would be a bit like comparing MacPherson Strutt suspension to a 4 link suspension, or
even modified MacPherson which are completely different than leaf sping suspensions or the horizontal leaf spring suspension that VW uses. They all
are inherintly different and react differently to sprung wieght. This is to say nothing of shocks, which are mearly dampening devices. But if we are
speaking of dampening devices now, there are many many different way to creat damening. Some of which have nothing at all to do with a gas/air/oil
filled canister. These systems uses compresable items to absorb road irregularities. But they are not the only invention to ever do this. Just the
latest.But with that in mind, VW suspension itself is out dated. This arguement could go on forever. You do what you do. One day it will all come
out in the wash. I already know the truth, Ive been doing it for years. Your understanding or lack there of makes no difference to whether it works
or not. It does without your understanding or aproval.
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