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 68AutoBug
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 posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 09:35 PM |
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VDO Gauges are No Good!! by Gene Berg !!
Have a look at this page from Gene Berg Enterprises... they say that VDO plus other gauges are ALL CRAP... What do You think??
I am about to add some VDO Gauges to MY Beetles dash...
I thought VDO was a good brand of Gauge...
Here is the late Gene Bergs' comments on Gauges:
http://www.geneberg.com/gauges.htm
Lee ... I wish I hadn't seen it....
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| posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 09:45 PM |
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Yeh.....and 94mm pistons/cylinders are crap as well..... What a load of horse crap. Any guage should only be used as a tool and not soley relied apon.
They are there to give an indication of what's going on. Also times/methods and quality have changed. I have VDO and SMITH guages and i use them as
an indication of whats happening and wouldn't expect them to be 100% accurate....even if they were I wouldn't trust them.
[Edited on 23-4-2004 by Mick H]
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| posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 10:12 PM |
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what mick said.
sheesh.
let sleeping dubs lie
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| posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 10:30 PM |
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what Peter said about that Mick said ... it seems that both my Kombi & Humber engines must be both long dead when I add 50 deg f to the temp
readings they give sometimes
it is not necessarilly dead accuracy that is required, just monitoring for a variation of what they normally read, indicating a problem
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| posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 10:45 PM |
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and the GB dip stick temp sender is the best thing since 92's :bounce
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 10:47 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by blue74l
and the GB dip stick temp sender is the best thing since 92's :bounce
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HeHe...only at idle in a buggy though!!!!!:thumb
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| posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 10:51 PM |
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I have the Taiwanese Electric temp Gauge from Supercheap
the manufacturers website says they are very Good!!:bounce
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| posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 11:44 PM |
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could they be sued for slander at all, they prob shouldnt have mentioned any names.
But i guess it comes down to what people think, how many who have used these guages would say they were crap and how many people havent had any
probs?
i dont think we should rely on one source and start spending big bucks that might not be necessary.
Danielle
[Edited on 23-4-2004 by lulu94]
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 12:18 AM |
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Funny, all of Gene's tests were done nearly 40 years ago and his opinion has'nt budged!
I have huge respect for the dude, but come on! It would be like saying computers are no good because I tested one in 1967.
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 12:25 AM |
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Ummm, I don't think Gene Berg's opinions are budging any more since, errr, how to put this delicately... Gene isn't budging any more. He's fallen
off the (ratio) rocker. His compression readings are 0-0-0-0. His camshafts no longer bump. He had one stroker too many. He's running a (very) Low
Energy Ignition system.
hth
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 12:28 AM |
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Sounds like a spin off of the parot sketch
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 12:30 AM |
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Forget to mention that all his gauges are reading ______.
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 12:31 AM |
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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 01:09 AM |
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Any VDO gauges i have work fine, temp gauges there to monitor not to be 100% accurate, they do give me some idea as to whether im pushing the ol girl
too hard and need to slow down, as with the oil pressure gauges...
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 01:38 AM |
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i concur with the VDO pressure gauges... i suspect mine underreads by a fair bit
Jon
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 02:36 AM |
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Porsche are gunna be upset |
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 06:24 AM |
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Just check out the VDO clocks in amost any veedub... never had one that works well yet
they took me away haha, hope the medication works
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 06:36 AM |
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Worms.... Open
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 10:19 AM |
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The two clocks i've had have kept perfect time...except when i've taken the battery out, funny that
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 02:31 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by byronbus
Any VDO gauges i have work fine, temp gauges there to monitor not to be 100% accurate, they do give me some idea as to whether im pushing the ol girl
too hard and need to slow down, as with the oil pressure gauges...
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Same goes here no probs with the gauges...
only prob is me oil pressure is only registering a bit more than good old Gene's....blood pressure
[Edited on 25-4-2004 by Dubnut]
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| posted on April 25th, 2004 at 03:42 PM |
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Actually, the problem with this article by Gene was a common one, in that he reported observations without always understanding the science behind it.
The problem with any attempt to measure an engine's "temperature" is what, exactly, you are measuring. Unfortunately you can't practically
measure the parts that are being most affected by heat where it is occuring...
If you measure head temperature, the two most common points are the sparkplugs and exhaust studs, both will give different results and will differ due
to how much the part and sensor are being cooled and the response time of the measuring apparatus - all together it will only give an approximation of
what is occuring at the combustion chamber surface.
He went on a lot about the measuring of oil temp, 'cos you are always measuring an average and usually a cooled portion of the oil which will largely
hide any variations in the important factor, which is how hot the bearings are actually getting. You would really need to use gas chromatograph to
examine the oil from the engine, or rely on common sense, which is what he usually recommended, to the scorn of many f his peers.
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| posted on April 25th, 2004 at 07:40 PM |
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Julius Sumner Miller ^ :o |
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| posted on April 25th, 2004 at 09:01 PM |
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But if GENE said it ....................it MUST be right !
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| posted on April 28th, 2004 at 02:55 PM |
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thought i would chuck in my 2c worth... basically with any gauges you get what you pay for... want ultra accurate gauges then you will pay for it. i
work as an instrument technician where i am required to repair/recalibrate/install etc instrumentation for a refinery. temperature is one of the
hardest mediums to measure accurately.. many things effect this accuracy and as already stated in previous posts all car gauges are just to be used as
a guide... even your speedo is only required to be +/-10% accurate by the ADR's. so to buy a $50 gauge and expect it to perform miracles is ...
well... just plain silly... my company purchases equipment around the $5000 mark and it is still only accurate to +/-0.5%. (and sometimes not even
that). i am in the process of trying to figure out the gauges i want in my beetle but know that before they go in i will take the time to recalibrate
them to my own standards. That way i at least know the accuracy before i put them in.
see.... air and water do mix
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| posted on April 28th, 2004 at 05:41 PM |
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Gene may have been a pioneer in the VW hot-up industry and I respect him for that, but maaaaan what a wierd dude with some f-u theories
Pay your debts, CxxT
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| posted on April 29th, 2004 at 12:52 PM |
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hmmm i dunno why the gauges seem so important to Gene...when the majority of people are going to notice if the heat of the engine rises...if it aint
accurate surely it still gives an account of what is happening. I have the feeling Gene might be referring to people that race vws and rely on
gauges....this would be where accuracy be more important i spose.
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| posted on April 29th, 2004 at 01:37 PM |
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So who makes good guages?????
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"
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| posted on April 29th, 2004 at 07:33 PM |
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vdo - they seem to work just fine to me. twas just a wee while ago i put my dmm with a guaranteed accuracy of .3% on the 20v scale and it read 14.368v
and the guage read 14.4 so i rekon thats close enough for me as for my oil temp, if i go hard it goes up and when i slow down it retreats so it will
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