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 TomEichmann
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| posted on July 30th, 2006 at 06:48 PM |
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Alternative Fuels
Ive been wondering recently what are some environmentaly friendly fuels that i could convert my 1979 type II kombi to run on? Also if i were to
convert to gas does anyone know of the costs involved and how much better it is for the environment?
Peace,
Tom
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| posted on July 30th, 2006 at 07:51 PM |
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Gas conversions are for water cooled motors as the gas needs to go through radiator water or the pipe freezes.
Tom
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| posted on August 2nd, 2006 at 11:27 AM |
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Diesel running on cooking oil maybe.
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| posted on August 2nd, 2006 at 11:46 AM |
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If there was some thing cheaper than Petrol...
We'd all be using it...
French fries cooking oil can be used in diesel engines with some small modifications....
Old cooking oil will be able to be sold soon if the demand keeps going up....
Lee
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| posted on August 2nd, 2006 at 12:58 PM |
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Was looking at using enviro-diesel in my Patrol, apparently works real well, BUT: 1) requries fuel filters to be changed more frequently especially
during the first few tanks as the Patrol has a plastic tank liner that gets "eaten" by the detergent in the fuel, which by all accounts doesn't
cause any harm other than dumping sh*t in your fuel lines, and more importantly 2) immediately blows the Nissan warranty - don't know about other
manufacturers warranties. Suffice to say I'm not yet willing to go down that path, yet.
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| posted on August 2nd, 2006 at 05:48 PM |
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Nice idea - but looking at the 'big picture', forget it. Make sure your car(s) is in good tune, catch the bus every now and then and make compost
from your kitchen scraps :thumb
[ Edited on 2-8-2006 by VWCOOL ]
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| posted on August 5th, 2006 at 04:57 PM |
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thanks everyone, ill keep looking out though,
who knows mabey in the future people will realize
a way to power cars without damaging the environment
too much. I have heard rumors of a hemp powered car being
made! ill keep dreaming.......
Peace,
Tom
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| posted on August 6th, 2006 at 12:01 AM |
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Here's your options, assuming you want "environmentally friendly", rather than "cheap running"
1. run it on ethanol. The same stuff that drag racers run on (someone back me up on this) probably expensive, but ethanol can be made from plant
material.
2. convert to electricity. Do a Google search for Volkswagen EV. Many VW Beetles, and even a few Kombis running on electricity. *Very* expensive, but
it'll pay for itself over a decade or so. 
3. go to this link. The NSW government will plant trees to offset the amount of CO2 your car produces. Of *all* options, it is the cheapest, and you
can even pay to have them offset *all* the carbon your car has *ever* produced.
http://www.carbonplanet.com/home/index.php
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| posted on August 6th, 2006 at 01:22 AM |
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Bicycle 
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| posted on August 6th, 2006 at 12:15 PM |
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Wait a decade for hydrogen fuel cell / electric technology to become widespread and efficient enough to be AIRCOOLED.
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| posted on August 19th, 2006 at 01:15 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by mpbriggs
1. run it on ethanol. The same stuff that drag racers run on (someone back me up on this) probably expensive, but ethanol can be made from plant
material.
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Your getting mixed up with methanol, slightly different, not sure how, but there was a racer in the states sponsored by the ethanol producers who ran
an Alcohol Funny Car on ethanol and also used a corn based oil for the engine as well! Was very succesful as well i think.
Didnt Brasilian VW's run some sort of alcohol fuel?
The people following you in traffic would not appreciate methanol fumes!:repuke
testing 1 2 3...
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| posted on August 25th, 2006 at 07:51 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Oasis
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That's surprisingly effective. I fill my Bay less than once a month would you believe!
In relation to hydrogen or electricity powered things... Where does the hydrogen come from? We have to make it, and that takes a lot of energy. So if
we burn crusty brown coal to make it, we're not any better off. Same for electricity powered cars, if they're charged from the grid. Hydrogen is
often referred to as an energy STORAGE mechanism.
Cheers, and peace out man, A. ;-)
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| posted on August 25th, 2006 at 11:46 AM |
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Energy for hydrogen production does not have to come from coal.
In the meantime, get a 13b rotary and Howard will give you some of your own money back to help with the cost of the conversion if you run it on
gas.
http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_0406/article.html
BTW a Rotary will burn hydrogen too.
[ Edited on 25-8-2006 by bus914 ]
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| posted on August 25th, 2006 at 05:04 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by tdegens
Gas conversions are for water cooled motors as the gas needs to go through radiator water or the pipe freezes.
Tom
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how about using an oil line off the engine to heat the LPG? You could put an external oil filter on at the same time.
BTW, i'm sure I have seen an LPG powered bay camper here in blacktown a few years back. Don't know what motor was in it though.
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| posted on August 25th, 2006 at 07:49 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by tdegens
Gas conversions are for water cooled motors as the gas needs to go through radiator water or the pipe freezes.
Tom
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Kits are available for aircooled motors in the UK.The gas line can be run through the sump to limit freezing of the line.Looks like a neat
conversion..."search" is your friend..
[ Edited on 25-8-06 by Mick H ]
tssnq.com.au
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| posted on August 26th, 2006 at 04:10 PM |
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There are alternatives coming...
This is what I'm working on at the moment. It's not my invention, it's actually very old technology, but this one is my design (the fancy bits are
inside).
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| posted on August 30th, 2006 at 10:07 PM |
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Is that a post war charcoal gas converter? |
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| posted on August 30th, 2006 at 10:12 PM |
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How about a gas converter warmed using the heater boxes.
Or full flow oil cooler (might make the oil a bit thick)
Water cooled heads?
Put the converter in the doghouse so it pre cools the cooling air. Additional cooling for the engine....
Converter with electric preheat.
I've been thinking about a CNG conversion for a while.
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| posted on September 2nd, 2006 at 12:12 AM |
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Okay, just to clear things up, it is a "wood gasifier", or "wood gas producer". It burns wood chips in order to produce carbon monoxide, hydrogen
and methane gas. It produces almost the same temperatures as a wood fired forge (hot enough to melt steel). So, using it to cool your motor won't
quite work...
It's flow and gas production are directly controlled by the intake of the motor, so it produces just the right amount of gas for the revs you are at.
The tall bit is the gasifier, while the smaller bit on the left is the gas scrubber, which cools and cleans the gas. The car has run quite well at
home on this unit using cypress chips, but I haven't completed the intake manifold yet, so I can't drive it around on wood gas just yet.
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| posted on September 20th, 2006 at 03:35 PM |
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Very interesting looking conversion!
The best thing you can do for the cheapest price is go to www.greenfleet.com.au
For the meagre price of $40 a year they will plant trees that will offset the Co2 emissions from your car. This also restores a lot of previously
logged land and helps with salinity, rainfall and is a genuine really good initiative. While it doesn't offset all your other emissions it's still a
very good step and cheap. The whole 'carbon neautral' thing is starting to become more wide spread.
Definitley reccomend it!! I'll even buy you a beer for it!
Cheers,
Dustin
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