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 kombi kountry
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| posted on October 5th, 2006 at 10:47 AM |
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Improve existing wasserboxer or upgrade to subaru?
I've got a bit of a dilemma.
You see my 1990 Caravelle C which i've had for about 6 months has reached 160,000 km's and is due for a major service from what i gather (excluding
coolant and spark plugs which have recently been done). I'd also like a bit more power and after reading a thread in here i've become interested in
what seems to be common mods to the 2.1 wasserboxer (1.4:1 rockers and lifters, chip, hi-flow cat and muffler).
The problem is however, i always had in mind doing a subaru conversion (ej22 or 25) and so i am wondering if it's worth following the above route
(i.e. major service and performance mods) if down the track i just end up putting a subaru in it?
So i had a few questions:
1. how much am i looking at for mods to the wasserboxer such as rockers, lifters, chip, cat, and muffler (including labour); and
2. Whether a useful increase in power can be expected (from what i've read, yes) from such mods.
Things to keep in mind are:
1. From what it seems and what the mechanic said, the current wasserboxer is in good condition and relatively low 160,000 kms; and
2. i can probably re-use the hi-flow cat and muffler if i decide to go down the subaru route in the future.
Thanks
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| posted on October 5th, 2006 at 01:29 PM |
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Not the best person to ask be here are my answers
I would expect to pay in the area of $8k.
That is the drive in/out figure for Custom Off Road to do the converion for a 2.2L Sube. Dont know if this includes engineers report.
Remember - these are for good 2nd hand motors and not new ones. Newish crash test motors are available, but cost more
Increase in power - yes ish. Dont expect to smoke wheels. Maybe the EJ20T is better??
160km is low km for a motor that can see inexcess of 300km if looked after.
Send Dave Becker a message. He has the upgrades done to his Wasserboxer.
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| posted on October 5th, 2006 at 05:36 PM |
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i have the silver caravel 2.1 and love it the upgrades vare air flow improvement with a pod filter $34.00 2.5 inch exhaust from cat out got from
swpmeet $25.00 sports cat b$60.00 ratio rockers $300.00 ebay electric supercharger from a porsche $80.00 ebay what do i get nearly 60% horsepower
improvement pulls in excess of 150 klm no worries and still pulling out of mooney mooney bridge bottom of bridge 80 klm over the top excellerating
135klm
i really love it a real surprise package and its auto with air
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| posted on October 5th, 2006 at 10:19 PM |
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This pod filter you speak of greedy, where have you located it before the sensor or at the rubber boot of throttle body, ask because i have thought of
this option but was unsure as where it would go? Damm that ride must sound sweet, supercharger mmm nice.
Keep the steering and the propulsion seperate . Still a Kombi...
It's all good, until it's bad, i suppose
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| posted on October 5th, 2006 at 10:24 PM |
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electric supercharger ???
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| posted on October 6th, 2006 at 06:46 AM |
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the pod is placed before the body i removed the org filter and made a plate that bolted up to the org position an easy job and on the plate weld a 3
inch pipe
electric blower is only activated at full song
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| posted on October 6th, 2006 at 11:54 AM |
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Thanks for the info greedy.
Yeah i saw your silver machine at the Fairfield show this year and also once just south of ulladulla heading north along the princess highway.
I think i'll check with a few workshops what price they can do for me in relation to a filter, rockers, chip, cat, & muffler. If it's reasonable i
might get it done and worry about the subaru in a couple of years.
Would still be interested in getting an update on other's wasserboxer mods and the results (not just hp numbers but what it's like to drive).
I saw that vintige vw at campsie had their own chip developed, anybody know if they're still doing them?
Thanks
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| posted on October 6th, 2006 at 12:11 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Bizarre
Not the best person to ask be here are my answers
I would expect to pay in the area of $8k.
That is the drive in/out figure for Custom Off Road to do the converion for a 2.2L Sube. Dont know if this includes engineers report.
Remember - these are for good 2nd hand motors and not new ones. Newish crash test motors are available, but cost more
Increase in power - yes ish. Dont expect to smoke wheels. Maybe the EJ20T is better??
160km is low km for a motor that can see inexcess of 300km if looked after.
Send Dave Becker a message. He has the upgrades done to his Wasserboxer.
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Thanks Bizzare, yeah i'm fairly familiar with the subaru route (have made a few phone calls), was more lacking in knowledge about the wasserboxer
mods. if i did go subaru i think ej25 would have more than adequate power for my needs...not too interested in ej20t.
How's your caravelle going?
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| posted on October 6th, 2006 at 01:02 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by kombi kountry
How's your caravelle going?
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Well... sort of great 
I havent posted yet but Daisy has moved on.
The aircooled is out and i now have a 90 model
there were a few minor things needed fixing on Daisy (interior mainly) and this one came up.
It is a 1990 7 seater transpoter auto. In general it is great
Swapped the cookies over to it
Will be making her deput soon
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| posted on October 6th, 2006 at 01:12 PM |
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Hi
Not wanting dis the WBX, I still have a soft spot for them, but unless they have been cared for properly they can be very expensive to repair.
This is a good website for Subaru into T3 info. http://www.vwrx.com/
Steve
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| posted on October 6th, 2006 at 06:50 PM |
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was at super cheap auto today and they have a bolt on adaptor on the shelfthat would fit straight on
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| posted on October 9th, 2006 at 09:45 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 1303Steve
Hi
Not wanting dis the WBX, I still have a soft spot for them, but unless they have been cared for properly they can be very expensive to repair.
This is a good website for Subaru into T3 info. http://www.vwrx.com/
Steve
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Well one of the main reasons for thinking of modding my WBX is that i think it has been well maintained. Fingers crossed though. Thanks for link
Bizzare, will be interested in any future mods to your caravelle. I'm keeping an eye out for some wheels for mine. A mid 80's mercedes next door
has some cookies...might have to ask him if he wants to get rid of them.
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| posted on November 2nd, 2006 at 12:19 PM |
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Seen This?
http://www.clubvw.org.au/a_wasserboxer_adventure.htm
23 windows ...8 too many!
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| posted on November 4th, 2006 at 04:53 PM |
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whats an electric supercharger?
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| posted on November 4th, 2006 at 10:18 PM |
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Consider your gearbox. EJ22 is probably gonna be much kinda than a Turbo, given the rev's/torque that the box likes. If it's an auto, then you want
to be as nice as poss to the flex plate. Think COR's prices relate more to Bays than T3s. Given you are already wet. It will still cost but I imagine
it would cost more than the Wasser upgrade. I can vouch for Greedy's...on the way to Valla his seemed to shift significantly better than mine
would.
There's also a fuel saving to be had, though Subes are not the most economical motor. My 2.5 Forrester is not exactly economical ... but they are
pretty bullet proof when it comes to reliability.
The wasserboxer if maintained is good, but they don't like to get hot, which seems to be what kills them. A hot day and the air on - soon warms it
up. I've got a second set up of thermo fans for hot days which stops the temp climbing.
I'd say, good motor? - stick with VW. Dead motor, then rebuilding the VW might cost more than the Sube.
I do like the noise a sube makes on full chat though....
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| posted on November 15th, 2006 at 03:10 PM |
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Yeah for me i want to keep it n/a sube....ej22 or ej25. I mean even the ej22 (depending on whether you get the oz or jap pec) get's nearly 50%
increase in power and 25% more torque over the MV wasserboxer.
Though given the good condition of my wbx it seems a shame to get rid of it, hence the idea of the power ups to keep me satisfied until i go sube
power.
I noticed in another post that you bought that ej22...looks like a nice price and good condition motor. Will be very interested in hearing how the
conversion goes and the results.
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| posted on November 16th, 2006 at 02:39 PM |
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Power-up your WBX, If it goes pop, you were gunna replace it anyway!
Pay your debts, CxxT
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| posted on November 16th, 2006 at 09:21 PM |
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Check out some of the US user groups for Sube Vanagons and get chatting to Sube-o-phile forums ... there's a fair bit you can do to the EJ22 to get
more out of it...esp improving the torque output.
My sube decision is more based on a 5 year view. I am convinced that I will get more enjoyment for less spend. Not that there's anything wrong with
my WBX motor, it's in great shape.
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| posted on November 20th, 2006 at 07:57 PM |
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Did anyone see the post on here about the VW cylinder heads producing enormus horsepower, cant put a number on it as i cant remember the number. But
the heads(almost whole Motor) was used in avaition dont see any subi motors doing this. I too have thought about the engine upgrade but i figure bring
the dub motor up to spec first and then if i t blows after time replace it with a lexus v8, ok so maybe not the lexus too many mods. I am in process
of adding 1.25 ratio rockers SS hi-flow/resonator cat 2.25 and SS turbo pipe 2.25 in and 4 inch out without silencer. And then after that comes the
electric supercharger Greedy talks about. Unless u have money to throw at it then wait.
Keep the steering and the propulsion seperate . Still a Kombi...
It's all good, until it's bad, i suppose
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| posted on November 20th, 2006 at 08:01 PM |
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the old man has a customer that is tossing around the same thing but the quotes the old man has been getting is like 10g
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| posted on November 20th, 2006 at 10:09 PM |
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10g for what??? The subi conversion; with that kinda dollars wouldnt you think about a cheap porsche motor?
Keep the steering and the propulsion seperate . Still a Kombi...
It's all good, until it's bad, i suppose
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