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| posted on April 29th, 2003 at 10:34 PM |
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68 - 71 kombi camper differences?
hi
i`ve been looking for a late sixties kombi without much luck so far.
can people tell me what differences there is between these models ?
eg... interior , exterior , engine size , pop tops and so forth ?
i just like the shape of these with the indicaters lower at the front .
hope someone can help me out ?
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| posted on April 29th, 2003 at 11:24 PM |
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Not too sure on the camper differences but that would depend more on which manufacturer did the conversion, so keep an eye out for the better
conversions rather than a particular year.
As for the Kombi it's self, not too much changed during those years. The most noticable would be disk brakes ~'71 I think. The early discs
and calipers were different and had a short production run so are getting harder to get parts for though. Pretty sure those years all had 1600 type 1
motors.
I agree those models look better than the later Kombi's, but I went for a later one with a type 4 motor for the extra power and stronger motor
(more expensive to re-build though).
Andy
Some other info
http://www.type2.com/library/identifi/vin.htm
http://www.bugsandbuggies.com/QuickRef.asp
In Oz I think most '72 bus's still had 1600 (type 1) motors though. T4 motors were more the norm in '74 with the 1800.
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| posted on April 29th, 2003 at 11:32 PM |
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thanks andy
thats great !
anyone else got any thoughts ?
cheers
coolaride .
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| posted on April 29th, 2003 at 11:47 PM |
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one is still in albury
there is still a 68 camper for sale in albury 1300 motorpale blue duco peco star wide five wheels not to bad ,have been trying to track down her
phone number
david:o:o
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| posted on April 29th, 2003 at 11:54 PM |
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hi
thanks david
keep me posted !
cheers .
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| posted on April 30th, 2003 at 11:01 AM |
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The 68-70 Kombis used the 1600 single port engine and 30PICT/2 carby - almost identical to the 1500 H series engine used in the bugs for those years,
but with the larger P&Cs.
These should have a B prefix to the engine number.
The 71 bus engine had the first of the 1600 dual port engines with the larger 34PICT/3 carby. AD prefix for most Aussie engines if I remember
right.
The 72 and up buses normally came with the 1700/1800/2000 type4 (pancake) engine, but you'll find some 1600 models still around - for example,
all the Aussie Telecom vans still used the 1600dp engine - these are recognisable by their lack of any windows in the sides and always had a brown
interior - no matter what the outer paint colour.
Up to and including 1970 the rear bumper and rear valance was removable so the engine could be rolled straight backwards out of the vehicle - a neat
feature in my opinion. From 71 onwards the engine had to be dropped out underneath (bug style removal).
I think the 71+ (or was it 72+?) models have the squared off rear air inlets - makes it easy to tell a "late" model from an
"early" model at a glance.
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| posted on April 30th, 2003 at 11:28 AM |
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Hey Aussiebug, I thought it was '73 Kombi's had the squarer air intakes?
The '72 bus I had originally had a 1600dp in it and the rear valance was removable. Most '72's Ive seen had 1600's also.
'72's still have the low indicators on the front but the larger rear tail lights (same as '73-'79)
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| posted on April 30th, 2003 at 01:45 PM |
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72 is probably the best way to go from what I know.
They still have the low indicators at the front but have the bigger engine bay and type 4 engine. They also have the disc brakes and later model tail
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| posted on April 30th, 2003 at 05:44 PM |
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i agree with 72 twin, but as far as interiors go, if you like a standard style go for it, but if you want one that suits you BUILD IT YOURSELF!
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| posted on May 1st, 2003 at 01:25 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Andy
Hey Aussiebug, I thought it was '73 Kombi's had the squarer air intakes?
The '72 bus I had originally had a 1600dp in it and the rear valance was removable. Most '72's Ive seen had 1600's also.
'72's still have the low indicators on the front but the larger rear tail lights (same as '73-'79)
Cheers,
Andy
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According the comprehensive list at http://www.type2.com , 1972 was the first year with
the squared off rear vents (I said I thought it was 71 or 72).
72 was definitely the first year for the type4 engine - Numbers CA-0-000-001 - CA-0-016-185 and CB-0-000-001 - CB-0-056-205...1679 cc, 63 HP
@ 4800 rpm,
but in Aus the 1600dp was still available (as I said - all Telecom vans had them for example.)
The larger triple element tails lights were 72+ too.
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| posted on May 1st, 2003 at 11:02 PM |
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Not too many differences between Euro Kombi changes and Australian models. After 1968 VW Australia went back to assembling German kits, which included
Beetles, Type 3s and Kombis with only a small amount of locally sourced components.
A general guide is that we usually got VW's model year changes a few months later. For example, VW's new model year began in September,
after the summer holiday break - new 1971 models were made from September 1970.
In Australia, those changes weren't likely to hit the market until the following January, February or March. But other than that, yes you can
generally follow the overseas changes schedule.
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| posted on May 1st, 2003 at 11:09 PM |
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hi
thanks for the help people.
now i just gotta find one.
its been 2 and a half months already
cheers
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| posted on May 2nd, 2003 at 08:02 AM |
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Andy or anyone
Any ideas on who made the better conversions and who to stay away from? Is it possible to tell the difference easily.
If building your own camper should you go a full pop top roof or are there problems with these, flexing of body maybe? I'm looking at baja ing
one
Thanks for any help
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| posted on May 2nd, 2003 at 10:20 AM |
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The 'official' VW Campmobiles sold in Australia were made by Sopru, an Adelaide-based company that had workshops in all capital cities in
the 1970s. Westfalia campers were not sold in Australia.
There were plenty of other camper converters - Trakka Van, Dormobile, Swagman, Gypsy and Wanderer are a few I can think of at the moment.
As to which one is better - no definite answer. They all had different design details. Some roofs went straight up, some opened to one side. Some put
the fridge behind the driver, some behind the passenger. Some had chipboard cupboards, some were fibreglass.
Your main problem, looking for a nice '68-'71, is that it will be so old that the original gear will be pretty much stuffed. It's hard
enough to find a nice mid-late 1970s camper, of which there are many more around to choose from.
Anyway you can always rebuild the insides - We remade all of my cupboards, and they're MUCH better now than when my Kombi was new. Keep looking
for a nice, straight 68-71 Kombi if that's what you want, and worry about the rest later!
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| posted on May 2nd, 2003 at 10:27 AM |
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On the other question, Aussie camper converters (including Sopru) simply cut a big hole in the roof of a Type 23 VW Kombi (window van with seats), and
fitted their fibreglass roof on top. No strengthening was fitted. So yes, they WILL suffer body flex in off-road conditions.
German Westfalia campers were fitted with a VW M-option (I don't have the number with me) that added some extra steel reinforcing to the roof
cutout, in order to give it some extra strength. Unfortunately, they weren't sold here so an example will be difficult to find. But they are out
there - some tourists bring overseas Campers in from time to time.
If you want to get serious with going off-road in a Kombi Camper, I suggest you buy a copy of Simon Glen's fabulous book on Travelling In the
Sahara. He spends a couple of chapters on what you should do to your Kombi to make it live in extreme conditions.
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| posted on May 2nd, 2003 at 02:13 PM |
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Cheers for that, tracked down the book, Sahara Handbook $55 must be a good book for that price.
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| posted on May 2nd, 2003 at 04:06 PM |
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$55 ??!! Simon was down at the VW Nationals last year and was selling copies for $5 ! I got one and he autographed it for me too! Contact him through
Klub VW Toowoomba, I'm sure he can get a copy cheaper than that.
But yes it's a fabulous read. You think Australia is a vast, barren emptiness - pah, nothing compared with the Sahara. Simon has some great
stories in there.
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| posted on May 2nd, 2003 at 08:13 PM |
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just a comment on Trakka, it didnt start business untill after the dates you are looking at, but it DID have reinforcement in the roof of a form,
steel square tubing inside stationary part of poptop along sides which is rivetted to roof. also had marine ply inside.
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| posted on July 24th, 2003 at 10:26 PM |
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Minor cosmetic differences
1968 uses a different internal mirror (screw on, old stock from splits?) to 1969 - 71 (push on/pull & twist off).
1968 no hazard switch on dash, 1969 - 71 has.
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| posted on July 24th, 2003 at 11:15 PM |
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Coolride, Could you please edit your avatar to be 100X100 pixels. current size makes reading post a real bugger. Thanks :thumb
Steven
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