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| posted on November 4th, 2006 at 07:01 PM |
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For those who want to notch their springplates.
A couple of brief pics. You will get the idea.
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| posted on November 4th, 2006 at 07:46 PM |
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i'd be real, real careful about creating a stress riser at the base of the notch... more radius and a polished edge would be sensible
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| posted on November 5th, 2006 at 01:34 PM |
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who would want to notch their spring plates???
yeh a rounded edge would be a better idea
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| posted on November 5th, 2006 at 05:28 PM |
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that would need to be strengthened or it would probably bend in the v cut under real stress
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| posted on November 5th, 2006 at 07:44 PM |
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How do you strengthen spring steel, without weakening it? Round edge would prob help, but unless your running big power then this will give no probs,
but whatever.
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| posted on November 5th, 2006 at 07:49 PM |
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fair enough ,just thought it would create a weak spot at the "v" being a lot smaller than the rest ,thought it might twist or gradually stretch at
the bottom,,it was just a thought but whatever
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| posted on November 5th, 2006 at 08:08 PM |
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You are prob right to an extent, but the axles stop any sideways travel, and the up/down travel is minor in a slammed bug anyway. As i said, if you
are running a big engine it could twist a bit, but thas the price you pay I guess. I know guys who run with this cut without any probs (my self
included). I have had a few guys ask me for these measurements lately, so I thought I would share.
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| posted on November 5th, 2006 at 08:28 PM |
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thats cool 
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| posted on November 7th, 2006 at 09:28 AM |
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I have always rounded them slightly when Ive done them, and yet to see one break. Many cars are running notched plates cut way further than these with
no probs!!
Much improved ride too with that little extra clearance...
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| posted on November 7th, 2006 at 01:41 PM |
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could you go the other way, for a raised car??
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| posted on November 7th, 2006 at 01:57 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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could you go the other way, for a raised car??
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YES!! but not too much......CV's are your friends...:kiss
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| posted on November 7th, 2006 at 02:43 PM |
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raised car???? never heard of doin that!
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| posted on November 7th, 2006 at 03:05 PM |
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This is NOT bagging you hertz,
Is this legal? I am just wondering. Would it need engineering?
I reckon if it was finished off with radius etc you wouldnt see it.
This would give more suspension travel for those low ones that are not on the stops?
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| posted on November 7th, 2006 at 04:49 PM |
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i run this set up but with rounded corners and 10.5 on toop instead of 10 1/4.
plus its your spring plates that fould before the bump stops.....well mine did cause i chopper 2 inches off the stops 
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| posted on November 7th, 2006 at 05:06 PM |
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Legal, let me think. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm dont understand what you mean. LoL.
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| posted on November 10th, 2006 at 04:12 PM |
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Legal, let me think. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm dont understand what you mean. LoL.
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That would be a no. Like cut springs on a regular car.
It means that you should NOT bother paying for insurance on your car, because your policy is void if the car isn't legal.
On raised cars it's better to modify the limit stop than modify the springplate itself.
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| posted on November 11th, 2006 at 01:57 AM |
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If you raise your car by a certain amount - not road worthy - no insurance
If you have adjusters or modified front beam, or adjustable spring plates - not rodworthy - no insurance
If you dont have 100mm ground clearance at curb weight (vic) - not roadworthy - no insurance
If you have a non padded steering wheel in a car that came with a padded one - not roadworthy - no insurance
If you increase hp in the engine by 10% without engineering - not road worthy - no insurance
the list goes on...
If you want to get picky they can deny covering you for all sorts of things. I dont know of too many assessors that would know what a spring plate
looked like originally.
If you look real careful on most of our modified vw's, there will be something that doesnt comply, unless you have gone through an engineer to
approve all the mods, and left the car that way.
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| posted on November 11th, 2006 at 05:59 AM |
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posted by xornge666x
If you raise your car by a certain amount - not road worthy - no insurance
If you have adjusters or modified front beam, or adjustable spring plates - not rodworthy - no insurance
If you dont have 100mm ground clearance at curb weight (vic) - not roadworthy - no insurance
If you have a non padded steering wheel in a car that came with a padded one - not roadworthy - no insurance
If you increase hp in the engine by 10% without engineering - not road worthy - no insurance
the list goes on...
If you want to get picky they can deny covering you for all sorts of things. I dont know of too many assessors that would know what a spring plate
looked like originally.
If you look real careful on most of our modified vw's, there will be something that doesnt comply, unless you have gone through an engineer to
approve all the mods, and left the car that way.
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How true. And besides, you can always raise your suspension BEFORE an insurance assesor looks at your car. They dont turn up un
anounced, so it is possible to sneak things through. Ive done it for customers at work many a time.
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| posted on November 11th, 2006 at 09:35 AM |
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whether the insurance company picks it the problems or not depends on how much it is insured for, how bad the accident was, and how obvious the
illegal mods are.
Shannons is a good insurance company and won't get very picky.
If the car isn't worth much, they will pay without looking into it too much.
If you kill someone in your accident, they will look a lot harder.
If the mod is a heavily notched spring plate it's easy to pick the mod if they have half a clue.
If the spring plate breaks where it was notched, and as a result you lost control and killed someone, then look out. Getting you insurance money
should be the least of your worries.
10% power increase, no-one will notice. Although I had my 1916 blue plated. I also have a blue plate to cover brakes, gearbox, engine, seats and seat
belts. I run a stock height type 181 front end to get my ground clearance. Because I have made every effort to keep the car 100% legal, I'm pretty
safe.
I just wanted the people who weren't sure of the implications, to have some idea.
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| posted on November 11th, 2006 at 09:49 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Hertz
| Quote: | Originally
posted by xornge666x
If you raise your car by a certain amount - not road worthy - no insurance
If you have adjusters or modified front beam, or adjustable spring plates - not rodworthy - no insurance
If you dont have 100mm ground clearance at curb weight (vic) - not roadworthy - no insurance
If you have a non padded steering wheel in a car that came with a padded one - not roadworthy - no insurance
If you increase hp in the engine by 10% without engineering - not road worthy - no insurance
the list goes on...
If you want to get picky they can deny covering you for all sorts of things. I dont know of too many assessors that would know what a spring plate
looked like originally.
If you look real careful on most of our modified vw's, there will be something that doesnt comply, unless you have gone through an engineer to
approve all the mods, and left the car that way.
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How true. And besides, you can always raise your suspension BEFORE an insurance assesor looks at your car. They dont turn up un
anounced, so it is possible to sneak things through. Ive done it for customers at work many a time.
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Bit hard to do it from a hospital bed...
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| posted on November 11th, 2006 at 09:55 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by VWCOOL
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Hertz
| Quote: | Originally
posted by xornge666x
If you raise your car by a certain amount - not road worthy - no insurance
If you have adjusters or modified front beam, or adjustable spring plates - not rodworthy - no insurance
If you dont have 100mm ground clearance at curb weight (vic) - not roadworthy - no insurance
If you have a non padded steering wheel in a car that came with a padded one - not roadworthy - no insurance
If you increase hp in the engine by 10% without engineering - not road worthy - no insurance
the list goes on...
If you want to get picky they can deny covering you for all sorts of things. I dont know of too many assessors that would know what a spring plate
looked like originally.
If you look real careful on most of our modified vw's, there will be something that doesnt comply, unless you have gone through an engineer to
approve all the mods, and left the car that way.
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How true. And besides, you can always raise your suspension BEFORE an insurance assesor looks at your car. They dont turn up un
anounced, so it is possible to sneak things through. Ive done it for customers at work many a time.
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Bit hard to do it from a hospital bed...
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| posted on November 12th, 2006 at 06:22 PM |
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If we all lived worrying about this we would be driving standard cars with the only modification being a monza exhaust and a whale tail.
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hey it was cool in the 80s 
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| posted on November 15th, 2006 at 11:25 AM |
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Can this be done on any swingaxle?
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| posted on November 15th, 2006 at 04:54 PM |
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what car are you aiming to do it on ?
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| posted on November 17th, 2006 at 07:07 AM |
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I can see no problems with a notched spring plate on a vehicle that will be driven on the roads only. I would not have a "V" in the notch, but a
sinusoidal curve to reduce the possibility of a stress concentration in the "V".
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