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| posted on November 7th, 2006 at 09:36 PM |
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Best sound setup for my bug
Heya
okay, it's come to crunch time of the audio system purchase, but i'm a lil confused as to which is the better option to do. heard mixed thoughts for
audio, so not sure.
options:
6" splits 50wrms w/ 6.5" 2 way coax 75wrms and 4x100 amp
6.5" splits 60wrms w/ 6x9 2 way coax 80wrms same amp as above
and then theres the front speaker only systems with the following sub
12" 300wrms carbon fibre sub with 2x150wrms amp (1x380wrms)
front speakers either
the 6" splits, 6.5" splits or 6.5" 2 way coax w/ 2x80wrms amp
what are peeps recomendations?
TY
oh btw thought i might also add, the entire rear behind back seat will be sound deadend and the front doors to. Also I am right ear only mono deaf, as
in my left ear doesnt work, so mmm, kinda makes listening to stereo weird.
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| posted on November 8th, 2006 at 07:39 AM |
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definantly splits up the front doesnt really matter on size or power handling, just make sure they are good quality speakers.
Personally ide go with the sub and some cheaper speakers for the rear (how often do you drive from the back seat??)
6x9's are a waste of time with a sub, and are no replacement for a sub either
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| posted on November 8th, 2006 at 08:34 AM |
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Depends on what you want and what music you listen to...
But in general, put the front speakers in the footwell (next to the a-piller) like dasdaubbers not in the doors. Doors have poor acoustics. Go the
6.5" splits - make sure you givethem a little enclosure that suits the speakers. WRT to the sub, depends what music you like...I like the bass but
find that they are tiresome to listen to after a while (maybe I'm getting old). But if you want them definately go for some rear fill if you go for a
sub. But like 76 camper said, don't worry about 6x9s with a sub, smaller speakers (2-way or split) will do this job nicely.
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| posted on November 8th, 2006 at 03:53 PM |
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Hey, yeah thanks for the info, I love Das's car, but I could never do the kind of work he has done. the footwell enclosure idea is sweet, but far to
much for me to accomplish, let alone to find someone willing enough to do it for me and not charge more than the car is worth.
was personally going to make a custom design door enclosure which incorps the door trim.
had my friend ring me up when he found out i was looking at finally doing the audio and he suggested the following
6" splits 50wrms in front with 6" split woofers only in rear (removed tweeters) and 4x50wrms amp due to it perfectly matching the speakers and will
give decent audio,
then due to that setup if i ever find im lacking bass i could add a 10" sub
what u guys reckon?>
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| posted on November 8th, 2006 at 05:52 PM |
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A few years ago I installed two 10" subs in a mirrored perspex box under the bonnet of a 66 Type !. Nothing beats a vw for soundstaging, imaging and
equal path length distanc speaker location than a Type 1. Got some photos somewhere.
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| posted on November 11th, 2006 at 06:14 PM |
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ended up with 2 sets of 6" splits and a 4x100 amp. after looking into it i think its the most beneficial.
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| posted on November 18th, 2006 at 08:49 PM |
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I'm curious to see how you guys have mounted the front splits?
Today I paid the local audio shop a visit, the guy tells me he's done a few bugs, and that the front kickpanels I have don't do a good job, as the
front speakers will not have much air to breath and sound good.
I'm not keen on putting speakers in the doors, at the moment I only have a pair of 6x9s in the rear and they don't sound that good. That's too much
credit actually, they sound crap
Thanks!
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| posted on November 19th, 2006 at 04:26 AM |
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I've just installed some 6" 50w splits in the front door panels in the bottom corners.... in some moulded spacers.... it is just enough room, and
they are focused nicely, so they only need to be run thru the head unit...... with a back shelf that houses a fat little 360w subbie and some decent
kenwood 180 w 6 by 9's mounted facing forward running on a 4by 100w amp... with a nice sony head unit...... easy for me to say it sounds freaking
awesome now... if ya bump into me at the show, I'll show ya......
havent got photos of the front ones yet
love to see some photos cal68!!!
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| posted on November 19th, 2006 at 08:28 AM |
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id suggest looking at das first resto for ideas
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| posted on November 19th, 2006 at 08:19 PM |
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Hi guys,
I thought I'd throw in my 2c for what its worth. I am by no means an expert but I did do a hell of a lot reading during my audio installation. I've
mentioned it before, but http://www.caraudioaustralia.com is a great source
of info.
My kick panels were only me second ever fibreglassing project (after my sub box being the first)....so it's not beyond everyone's capabilities! Here
are the pics of the kick panel installation:
http://www.manxgallery.org/gallery/album221
In terms of general advice, work out your budget, invest the most amount in good quality front splits (6.5s will give you better mid bass), then the
next most important is the headunit , then the sub (one 12in is enough - again just my opinion). Obviously keep some money aside for cables and
fittings.
Jaycar has a really good reputation for both splits and amps (a four channel will suffice for what you are after so you can bridge two channels for
the sub, and the other two can drive the splits).
In terms of split enclosures, the aim is to have the volume matched to the splits thiele-small parameters (acoustic properties of the driver/s) - so
for example the dynaudio front splits I ran in the ragtop had an ideal sealed enclosure volume of around 10.1L. Most people use the door cavity in
modern cars to get the required volume (you still need to take care to seal it as well as you can - not easy in an old veedub!). To get close to my
required volume I had to wrap the kickpanels around in front of the pedals etc.
Even so I could only get about 7.2L so I had to port the enclosures (again using a recommended port length and diameter calculated via program
(available on CAA forums)). It was important to have the enclosures sealed (ie. an air-tight box [complex shape of course]) for best sound quality.
It is all relative to what you want to achieve - I wanted to have a high quality system that was of a standard to compete at car audio events etc. If
you are just happy to enjoy some tunes but are not too worried about achieving "perfect sound"....then sealed enclosures aren't really necessary.
My brother in law's karmann ghia has just the single skin f/g kick panels available from US suppliers combined with alpine type S splits and an
alpine amp - it sounds good and he is happy with it which is the main thing!
Sorry I have rambled.
Alan
Here is the kick panel mid construction:
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| posted on November 20th, 2006 at 06:36 PM |
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Hey Das
Thanks for the input
as it be all my audio stuff is jaycar, being a worker, soon to be ex worker, ive taken mass advantage of the staff purchase privelege.
so yeah, ive rigged the amp and speakers to my ipod, and it seemed rather decent, no bass due to open air seating on a box, but yeah, the kick panels
would be good, tho im not a personal fan of them, but i dont have the capabilites with fibreglass, nor do i wish to pay someone to do it.
the way im thinking of doing the doors should work, with the doors having an open kinda design in that theres a hole in the middle, i was gonna make a
box like design for air for the woofers to be sealed into the doors that incorps the door trims.
the rear is greatly no problem, obviously. but yeah.
being deaf in one ear, i greatly dont see the point in spending money on audio, as i cant hear 50% of it, the jaycar audio is decent and inexpensive
in my situation, so hence why ive chosen it, plus it honestly doesnt look to bad, cept for the oversized crossovers.
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