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 rufbug
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| posted on January 25th, 2007 at 08:58 PM |
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Who's cars have been legal.
i have been reading some of the comments through the forum and wish to know what cars were actually legal in obtaining the Gene Berg trophy through
out the past years.
if we have weights and formulas then can we tell who really obtained the trophy legally....., and are they fudged, i am sure there will be someone who
will have some thoughts on this. does being after market inside really substantiate being a volkswagen, its like having an after market case with just
vw stuff in it. or having a vw case with all the s&*t inside and added externally.
what are the foundations for the Gene Berg trophy, i believe that you dont fudge to obtain.
So who has a list of cars that were legally rego'd with turbos and the like.
curious.
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| posted on January 25th, 2007 at 09:12 PM |
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lol... here we go!
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| posted on January 25th, 2007 at 10:11 PM |
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quick someone put the lid back on that can of worms
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| posted on January 25th, 2007 at 11:09 PM |
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I can see this post being deleted.
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| posted on January 25th, 2007 at 11:15 PM |
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Gene Berg Trophey? We are going in to ancient history. Come back to beyond 2000...
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 09:02 AM |
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I would suggest that no-one bites. This sounds like it could be contentious issue, and if non-inflammatory comments can be made and accepted, then we
will see what happens to the post.
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 09:09 AM |
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Agreed....
Reub
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 09:18 AM |
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haha, in other words.. own up if you don't deserve the trophy
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 09:26 AM |
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I must have missed something, this topic must have been debated before I started looking at the forums. I am actually really interested in who and in
what car has won it back in the 90's, I was a teenager then an too interested in looking at big stereos,simmons wheels and aero guards on bugs to pay
any attention to the drags!
Can someone list who it was awared to in each year? Obvioulsy there is some dispute over this, but just interested, opinions aside.
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 10:35 AM |
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rufbug
what's legal?
in who's eyes?
in what state?
by who's rules?
if you can answer these questions than we have a problem because that would be your opinion and others will not agree.
if you can't answer these questions than what do we do?
I think that we should just build fast cars for fun and support each other instead of building cars for our ego's.
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rufbug
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 02:24 PM |
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Did you read the thread, i am asking the question. Wot somebody does not know the answer. geeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
this aint hard is it.............
Iis this topic not clear to the point.
Who has had what!
Ta Naa.
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 03:40 PM |
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Rufbug, this topic is not clear to the point.
What exactly is the question in this topic that you refer to?
Please put a ? question mark after the question to help enable us to distinguish which bit is your question and which bit is opinion.
Just trying to help. 
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 05:25 PM |
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Is it legal to run race gas?
Is it legal to turbo anything over 2l?
Is it legal to run slicks?
Is it legal to run fibreglass flares?
Is it legal to run M& H dots?
Is it legal to run N/A over 2l?
Is it legal to run an aluminium front beam?
Is it legal to run without interior?
Is it legal to run braided brake line?
Is it legal to alter track?
Is it legal to run one piece windows?
Is it legal to run drum or disc brakes?
Don't know don't care....Just enjoy all the quick cars around at the moment! :thumb
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 05:42 PM |
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Many of the beetles in the USA were larger than 2 litres...
When looking in books, there were many different setups.
plus the categorys etc changed a lot over the years....
so, I don't think there is any real answer..
Not that I am a follower of any race VWs....
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 06:36 PM |
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I thought the Gene Berg trophy was a prize for having the engine with the lowest compression.
CYA CT
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 06:41 PM |
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If you are asking ppl who won what and if it was fair and legal, you are stirring the pot.
Most of these ppl are still around.
Asking ppl to fess up is silly....'oh yeah I used a (insert cheat here) to screw everyone' just aint going to happen.
Asking ppl to out others is speculative and possibly ends up as slander etc. So that will get the post closed.
The guts of the argument revolve around the legalities of a whole lot of classes, street legal or special plate, what year and and and etc etc etc.
Many beers have been filtered to conversations about this stuff, but you wont hear it here as it will turn to argument.
Good fishing though
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 07:31 PM |
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so we are not going to see what winners we had,
times and mph and size of engines (turbo or non turbo)
other than this there is not too much to ask.
RIP
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 09:06 PM |
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Who's Gene Berg?
Now that is the real tragedy.
He'd have been ashamed to see the amount of bitching that went on about this.
Can someone in the know please cough up the results...and have the backbone to declare Wayne Penrose as the last winner...whether he was in their
club/clique or not?
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| posted on January 26th, 2007 at 09:58 PM |
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Gene Berg Trophy Drag Race Rules
The Gene Berg Trophy is a perpetual award, presented to the driver of the FASTEST ROAD REGISTERED VW. As there may be some confusion over exactly what
is a "road registered" car, the following rules have been implemented.
1. The vehicle must be registered. That is the chassis and engine numbers must match up with the registration papers, sticker and plates. This can be
checked by the scrutineers.
2. The cooling system must be intact. The cylinder tin, fan housing and fan must be fitted, although the fan belt may be removed for a run.
3. The best time only in "racing" will be counted.
4. The vehicle must run on pump petrol, for example leaded super, or standard or hi octane unleaded. No exotic chemistry allowed.
5. Street tyres must be run .No drag slicks are allowed. Road tyres must have a minimum of 1.5 mm tread.
6. Fitting of the rear seat and rear seat belts is optional but both front seats and belts must be fitted.
7. Fibreglass mudguards, bonnets, whale tails and spoilers are allowed, but the body and doors must be factory steel.
8. No perspex windows are allowed, all windows must be glass.
9. The spare wheel must be fitted for safety reasons.
10. Exhaust design is unlimited except that it must meet the track noise requirements.
11. Vehicles for this class must be able to be driven on the street in the normal manner. If scrutineers are in any doubt, you may be required to
complete a 15 km drive.
Gene Berg Fastest street Registered VW
1/4mile = 440 yards or 1320 feet
1/8mile = 220 yards or 660 feet
all speed reading have been converted to MPH for similarity
Canberra action 13 Mar 1989 1/4mile 13.60 @ 99.4mph Joanne Smith
VW Nats 14 Apr 1990 850ft 10.16 @ 86.04mph Jeff Unwin
ClubVW day 1 Dec 1990 850ft 10.03 @ 87.37mph Jeff Unwin
VW Nats 1 Apr 1991 850ft 9.78 @ 90.18mph Paul Zanello
Club VW day 7 Dec 1991 850ft 8.77 @ 79.71mph Richard Holzl
VW Nats 18 Apr 1992 850ft 8.69 @ 83.33mph Richard Holzl
Willowbank jam 7 Jun 1992 1/4mile 14.12 @ 95.54mph Lance Adam
VW nats 12 Apr 1993 850ft 11.14 @ 79.01mph James McKinnon
3 JUNE 1993 TRACK LENGTH ALTERED FROM 850 TO 660 FEET 1/8 MILE
Club VW day 27Nov 1993 1/8mile 8.92 @ 76.60mph Jeff Unwin
VW Nats 2 Apr 1994 1/8mile 8.76 @ 78.32mph Keith Haeusler
Willowbank jam 1994 1/4mile 13.18 @ 103mph Jeff Unwin
VW Nats 15 Apr 1995 1/8mile 9.10 @ 74.78mph Keith Haeusler
Willowbank jam 1995 1/4mile 13.35 @ 100.4mph Craig Paton
VW Nats 6 Apr 1996 1/8mile TBA
Willowbank jam 1996 1/4mile 12.82 @ 102.76mph Craig Paton
VW Nats 17 Apr 1997 1/8mile 8.65 @ 77.98mph Mike Kristen
VW Nats 11 Apr 1998 1/8mile 8.95 @ 74.56mph Jan Cook
VW Nats 3 Apr 1999 1/8mile 8.74 @ 74.25 Craig Torrens
VW Nats 22 Apr 2000 1/8mile 8.60 @ 80.35mph Leigh Harris
VW Nats 14 Apr 2001 1/8mile 8.56 @ 74.65mph Leigh Harris
VW Nats 30 Mar 2002 1/8mile 8.80 @ 79.66mph Leigh Harris
VW Nats 2003 not run
VW Nats 10 Apr 2004 1/4 mile 12.91 @ 106.77mph Leigh Harris
VW Nats 22 May 2005 1/4 mile 13.76 @ 98.71mph Sebastian Najder
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=10109#pid8349
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| posted on January 27th, 2007 at 09:16 PM |
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ta damo 
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| posted on January 28th, 2007 at 09:14 AM |
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Amen!
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| posted on January 29th, 2007 at 02:09 PM |
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As the last winner of the trophy and the first watercooled I'd love to add some of my thoughts .
When the original concept of the Gene Berg trophy came out it was pretty much a scene dominated by Carbys . There were few turbo cars and even fewer
with injection , the last few years has seen aftermarket ecu's become cheaper , easier to tune and a lot more readily available . The same goes for
roller bearing turbo's . I think the development for N/A Air cooled motors has almosted peaked , if it hasnt there is little more than can be done
without getting into big $$$$ . Then there is a question of reliability .
The S3 back then had a chip and DV valve , nothing else it was driven to the track , driven home and back to daily driving duties for the wife on
Monday . Since then its had a bigger turbo fitted and some other modifications but its still a daily driver . I drove it to Warwick , wife raced it
and I drove it back down to Sydney . To me thats what the Gene Berg trophy was all about .
And as for changing the name etc . I beleive that Gene Berg gave his life to VW . Out of respect I personally would like his name to remain on the
trophy . The rules should be changed to accomodate the advances in technology and the law .
I know some of you wont agree with me but these are just my views
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| posted on January 29th, 2007 at 04:22 PM |
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| posted on January 29th, 2007 at 04:26 PM |
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The only thing that this thread needs is for someone to start going off about 1916's.....
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| posted on January 29th, 2007 at 07:45 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by dumone
Gene Berg Trophy Drag Race Rules
The Gene Berg Trophy is a perpetual award, presented to the driver of the FASTEST ROAD REGISTERED VW. As there may be some confusion over exactly what
is a "road registered" car, the following rules have been implemented.
1. The vehicle must be registered. That is the chassis and engine numbers must match up with the registration papers, sticker and plates. This can be
checked by the scrutineers.
2. The cooling system must be intact. The cylinder tin, fan housing and fan must be fitted, although the fan belt may be removed for a run.
3. The best time only in "racing" will be counted.
4. The vehicle must run on pump petrol, for example leaded super, or standard or hi octane unleaded. No exotic chemistry allowed.
5. Street tyres must be run .No drag slicks are allowed. Road tyres must have a minimum of 1.5 mm tread.
6. Fitting of the rear seat and rear seat belts is optional but both front seats and belts must be fitted.
7. Fibreglass mudguards, bonnets, whale tails and spoilers are allowed, but the body and doors must be factory steel.
8. No perspex windows are allowed, all windows must be glass.
9. The spare wheel must be fitted for safety reasons.
10. Exhaust design is unlimited except that it must meet the track noise requirements.
11. Vehicles for this class must be able to be driven on the street in the normal manner. If scrutineers are in any doubt, you may be required to
complete a 15 km drive.
Gene Berg Fastest street Registered VW
1/4mile = 440 yards or 1320 feet
1/8mile = 220 yards or 660 feet
all speed reading have been converted to MPH for similarity
Canberra action 13 Mar 1989 1/4mile 13.60 @ 99.4mph Joanne Smith
VW Nats 14 Apr 1990 850ft 10.16 @ 86.04mph Jeff Unwin
ClubVW day 1 Dec 1990 850ft 10.03 @ 87.37mph Jeff Unwin
VW Nats 1 Apr 1991 850ft 9.78 @ 90.18mph Paul Zanello
Club VW day 7 Dec 1991 850ft 8.77 @ 79.71mph Richard Holzl
VW Nats 18 Apr 1992 850ft 8.69 @ 83.33mph Richard Holzl
Willowbank jam 7 Jun 1992 1/4mile 14.12 @ 95.54mph Lance Adam
VW nats 12 Apr 1993 850ft 11.14 @ 79.01mph James McKinnon
3 JUNE 1993 TRACK LENGTH ALTERED FROM 850 TO 660 FEET 1/8 MILE
Club VW day 27Nov 1993 1/8mile 8.92 @ 76.60mph Jeff Unwin
VW Nats 2 Apr 1994 1/8mile 8.76 @ 78.32mph Keith Haeusler
Willowbank jam 1994 1/4mile 13.18 @ 103mph Jeff Unwin
VW Nats 15 Apr 1995 1/8mile 9.10 @ 74.78mph Keith Haeusler
Willowbank jam 1995 1/4mile 13.35 @ 100.4mph Craig Paton
VW Nats 6 Apr 1996 1/8mile TBA
Willowbank jam 1996 1/4mile 12.82 @ 102.76mph Craig Paton
VW Nats 17 Apr 1997 1/8mile 8.65 @ 77.98mph Mike Kristen
VW Nats 11 Apr 1998 1/8mile 8.95 @ 74.56mph Jan Cook
VW Nats 3 Apr 1999 1/8mile 8.74 @ 74.25 Craig Torrens
VW Nats 22 Apr 2000 1/8mile 8.60 @ 80.35mph Leigh Harris
VW Nats 14 Apr 2001 1/8mile 8.56 @ 74.65mph Leigh Harris
VW Nats 30 Mar 2002 1/8mile 8.80 @ 79.66mph Leigh Harris
VW Nats 2003 not run
VW Nats 10 Apr 2004 1/4 mile 12.91 @ 106.77mph Leigh Harris
VW Nats 22 May 2005 1/4 mile 13.76 @ 98.71mph Sebastian Najder
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=10109#pid8349
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I find this confusing because...does it mean that turbo,supercharged or gas cars can compete against carby cars ?
It seams weird because Bergs didn't promote power added engines... to my knowledge anyhow?
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| posted on January 29th, 2007 at 08:14 PM |
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who gives a shit. it's all boring to me. buy a splitty and take it easy
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