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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 12:02 PM |
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Here,s a few of my experiences with car set up,
Raced for many years with an open diff and got the car to point where i felt comfortable with the sway bar and shock set up.
Rear shocks quiet firm, rear sway bar firm also, front rake a little nose down, front shocks probably softer than most would prefer.
I found a little understeer out of slow corners and neutral to gentle oversteer around fast corners.
Raced at Buladelah hillclimb twice with open diff,very fast track with long sweeping bends. What was interesting was the last corner was fast and
tight with a speed trap set up over the finish line. The fastest time i ever clocked was 136kph on a record breaking run. I can remember trying real
hard and thinking thats about as fast as i can go.
The next outing at Buladelah i had installed a ZF limo i purchased from Bruce Tweddle in Canada.My very first run, always a slow have a feel run i
clocked 140kph over the finish line.
I could definatly feel the limo working even on a fast corner let alone a slow power out corner which will induce rear wheel spin.
My car set up now is still a work in progress around the fact that a limo changes everything. At Raymond Terrace Ben Durie was .4 - .5 sec quicker to
the first split than me, he had a limo.
They make a HUGE difference to your cars performance and set up.
Do your car set up once, get the limo first, then work from there. Just another opinion hope this helps with your thought process. Good luck.
Cheers Col
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 02:49 PM |
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what are the differences between this limo diff "never heard of before" and just a super diff ??
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 04:27 PM |
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Super diff has four little cogs inside it for more strength, but no 'limited slip' mechanism
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 05:54 PM |
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was hoping Colin would chime in n this one having pushed the limits with open diff, then going to limo
thanx Colin
What boost were you running at Wakefield Jak??.......enough to make 200 or 250 HP
ZF limo.......
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 06:19 PM |
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So Colin what size bars do you run with the limited slip and how much did you change the firmness and softness of shocks/bars from your open diff
setup?
Great discussion guys
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 08:38 PM |
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I went from 18mm front and 16mm rear (K mac bars) with an open diff.........to 22 front and 28 rear (selby adjustable) when i went to a quaife.
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 09:22 PM |
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thnx Craig
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 09:30 PM |
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As i said it,s still a work in progress, like most cars in motorsport you never really stop trying to improve your car because when you do you get
left behind.
Have done loads of research and data collecting and have started purchasing a few items, have a set of sway away torsion bars coming.Hope to negate
the huge squat and understeer the car gets when powering out of slow corners then a new set of tyres are next.
Will run my Whiteline adjustable rear bar as usale but instead of a stiff setting i will go to a more softer setting as hopfully the bigger bars will
stop the front from lifting.For the front i am going to try the standard vw bar. Yep thats right, not a typo i prefer a softer front setting than
other people hence i run a Superbug i find i can tune the front to work the tyres to there max easier.
Loads of other ideas in my head including softening the rear shocks to transfer weight to front of car to also negate understeer on slow tracks. But
on fast ones will stiffen up shocks but soften rear bar more to catch oversteer.
It,s all a big game of try and learn, listen and ask. Thers lots of opinions to listen to but in the end make your own mind up. Don,t rush into
anything.
Reading this post and adding a few comments has reminded me it,s June, hell i better get cracking i,ve got lots of things to do before 2010 season.
Cheers Col
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 11:59 PM |
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how much are the limited slip diffs??
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| posted on June 22nd, 2009 at 06:15 AM |
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$1400........$2000.......then fittment
and thanx Craig (Mr OVERSTEER)
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| posted on June 22nd, 2009 at 07:09 AM |
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Yes the Quaife will not get you much change out $2K and then it needs to be put in the box.
You ran a BJ front end Craig didn't you?
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| posted on June 22nd, 2009 at 07:52 AM |
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yeah Craig is BJ/IRS
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| posted on June 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 AM |
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f@rk me, 2 grand....
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| posted on June 24th, 2009 at 06:24 PM |
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Oh yeah, have emailed selby's and there making me a 22mm front adjustable narrowed swaybar finally the search is over, thank god.
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| posted on July 3rd, 2009 at 04:34 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by chris fabian
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you get what you pay for my friend. quaife's are brand new and next to unbreakable. ZFs on the other hand, are all second hand now and like all
clutch type limos, they wear out.
interesting sidenote. Peloquin makes an 091 torsen style centre that is stronger yet cheaper than the Quaife. They were talking about making a type1
torsen style centre too. keep your eye out for that I reckon.
http://www.peloquins.com/products_new.html
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| posted on July 4th, 2009 at 08:27 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Oh yeah, have emailed selby's and there making me a 22mm front adjustable narrowed swaybar finally the search is over, thank god.
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Great news..........how much and how much narrower?
I need one for the ragtop, as it doesn't have any !!!
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| posted on July 4th, 2009 at 08:31 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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and thanx Craig (Mr OVERSTEER)
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yeah more fun that way !!!!................except when it puts you sideways into walls at high speeds !
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| posted on July 14th, 2009 at 11:03 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 66deluxe
Oh yeah, have emailed selby's and there making me a 22mm front adjustable narrowed swaybar finally the search is over, thank god.
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Great news..........how much and how much narrower?
I need one for the ragtop, as it doesn't have any !!!
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Craig, it's $300 and narrowed 50mm.
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