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 Baja Dan
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| posted on April 6th, 2011 at 06:44 PM |
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What's the best dizzy
Hi guy. Just wondering what is the best dizzy to use with a 30/31pict carb. Vacuum advance or mechanical.
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 posted on April 6th, 2011 at 08:20 PM |
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i don't know
about the 30/31 pict
but I know that the SVDA Distributor won't work with a 30/31 PICT as there isn't enough vacuum.....
I wouldn't recommend a 009 distributor...
what size engine are you running? 1200 or 1300 ??
not a lot of 30/31 PICT carbies around these days..
cheers
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| posted on April 6th, 2011 at 08:23 PM |
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they are very small carburetors..
You could fit a larger carby like a 34 PICT and then use an SVDA
single vacuum Dual advance distributor...
You can pick up 34 PICT carbies just about anywhere these days
Lee
PS:" I believe the original distributor for a 30/31 PICT would have been a vacuum only distributor..
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| posted on April 6th, 2011 at 09:45 PM |
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I have 2 of the 30/31 carbs. One is on a 1500sp with mechanical advance and the other is on a 1600sp with vacuum advance. Just trying to figure out
which way to go for the 1600 that is going into the Baja I am building and the other can go into the Beetle that I am going to flog off as I don't
need it now.
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| posted on April 6th, 2011 at 10:48 PM |
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Dan, The 019 Mechanical Advance is hard to beat for all Dubs, other than red hot racing. This was the standard distributor for the 36hp Kombi. Also a
slightly upgraded version of it, the BR 18, was standard on the 1600 engined Porsche 356s.
For many years, a repackaged version of it, painted Hammertone Light Blue and packaged with a Hi-Output 6 Volt Coil was marketed as the cool power
upgrade for ALL T1 Dubs, called "THE BLUE SCREAMER" - How could anyone possibly resist that? The blue painted ones still sell at a premium whenever
they hit eBay.
Here are x2 sites that should give you all of the info that you need:
http://www.vintagewerks.com/Distributors/dist%204%20sale.html#BOSCH%20Distrib...
Distributor specs here, so that you can compare various types.
Also:
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wolfsburg_new/electrical/electrical_common/distr...
Where they also include the VW PartNumbers for the various consumables for each Distributor type.
You may have noticed that the 009 (all versions) is not mentioned by either of these expert sites who obviously know their bananas. This alone gives
them credibility.
Be careful when buying a USED distributor of any type - they have been replaced for some reason - usually worn out. Their used price should take into
account, that you will need to replace the worn out bits (springs etc) before plugging it in.
Happy hunting,
Lance.
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| posted on April 16th, 2011 at 08:28 PM |
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Thanks for the help guys. I have decided to go electronic and lose the points. This will be better in the long run with water proofing the engine.
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| posted on April 16th, 2011 at 11:02 PM |
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No dizzy is the best dizzy 
but thats just my opinion.
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| posted on April 17th, 2011 at 07:26 AM |
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Just a quick question. What's wrong with the 009 as that's what came with my car 1200cc, 29 pict. Never seemed to be an issue before motor
re-build.
Mike
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| posted on April 18th, 2011 at 10:30 AM |
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The 009 is one of the biggest can of worms for early VW's.
Personally they aren't worth the hassle unless you get an original Bosch 009 cos the new brazilian ones are just crap.
Anyhow, the main thing is that the 009 is mech advance and so can/will suffer from flatspots between 1500-2500rpm. This is just cos the mech dizzy has
to catch up with the throttle position whereas a vac dizzy is almost instantaneous response.
By playing with jet sizes and mech advance spring strengths you can make a 009 work pretty darned well but most still find the lower revs not as
responsive as a vac advance.
I'd never use a 009 again as altho i got it to work well it was a lot of fiddling with the advance springs.
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| posted on April 18th, 2011 at 10:53 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vlad01
No dizzy is the best dizzy
but thats just my opinion.
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So true.
It's surprising how cheap the coil pack kits have gotten for VWs now, the Pertonix Dis-x is only around $350 these days.
Car manufacturers dumped distributors for coil packs 2 decades ago, the aftermarket vw world is only just catching up.
009s were never intended for road engines, they were for stationary industrial motors and drag cars both which only have to idle and flat bicky.
Because of this they are incredibly simple to manufacture and that means cheap cost and cheap is VW owners favorite word, so millions of VWs have been
fitted with them over the years as the vac advances dissys wore out.
So many people especially 1600 owners have bought the car that way and have no idea how much better they run with a vac advance.
My first 71 Sbug came with a brazillian 009 and after a I refurbished the stock SVDA it was a totally different animal, couldnt believe the
difference, too bad I totalled it 2 weeks later.
The early splitties came with a dissy similar to a 009 which worked well but that's cos they were driven like a drag car... ie flat to the floor or
get out and walk.
You can frig around rejetting and modding the carb to make a 009 work (mainly on 1600s) but it's putting a bandaid on a broken leg, you'll get rid
of the flat spot and get ok acceleration but at a cost of good economy and engine lifespan.
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| posted on April 18th, 2011 at 06:29 PM |
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Very interesting. My 1641 has a little flat spot roughly 1500rpm and then pulls fine so that would answer that!! Any way a few years ago well 10 to be
exact when I restored my first Kombi I was encouraged to buy a 009 over the vacuum advance in there but never got round to it.
I will be doing away with the dizzy for my lowlight though when the 1641 goes into that as my 009 goes with the1200cc motor.
All that said thankyou for your input.
Mike
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| posted on April 18th, 2011 at 07:51 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
| Quote: | Originally
posted by vlad01
No dizzy is the best dizzy
but thats just my opinion.
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So true.
It's surprising how cheap the coil pack kits have gotten for VWs now, the Pertonix Dis-x is only around $350 these days.
Car manufacturers dumped distributors for coil packs 2 decades ago, the aftermarket vw world is only just catching up.
009s were never intended for road engines, they were for stationary industrial motors and drag cars both which only have to idle and flat bicky.
Because of this they are incredibly simple to manufacture and that means cheap cost and cheap is VW owners favorite word, so millions of VWs have been
fitted with them over the years as the vac advances dissys wore out.
So many people especially 1600 owners have bought the car that way and have no idea how much better they run with a vac advance.
My first 71 Sbug came with a brazillian 009 and after a I refurbished the stock SVDA it was a totally different animal, couldnt believe the
difference, too bad I totalled it 2 weeks later.
The early splitties came with a dissy similar to a 009 which worked well but that's cos they were driven like a drag car... ie flat to the floor or
get out and walk.
You can frig around rejetting and modding the carb to make a 009 work (mainly on 1600s) but it's putting a bandaid on a broken leg, you'll get rid
of the flat spot and get ok acceleration but at a cost of good economy and engine lifespan.
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I am glad someone agrees.
with a wealth of ford and GM parts, after market ECU and stand alone DFI systems such as MS, MJ, haltech and SDS just to name the best ones in town.
Who the hell wants limited mechanical crude ignition systems with this stuff available.
Have you ever put a timing light of a DFI equipped engine?
Its like OMG! pure accuracy and stability. 
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| posted on April 22nd, 2011 at 06:05 AM |
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009's suck balls. Ford used em on the UK mk4/5 Cortina but the ecu had a vac sensor to change the timing. Weird little hybrid system but it worked
OK.
Vac dizzy will always beat a pure mech dizzy. Modern engine management use manifold pressure as just part of it's system and this does the same job
as a vac can.
My opinion of course but the 009 was just a clever marketing idea that people bought into that had little or no knowledge of how an engine works. Say
the words 'performance' and 'extra BHP' and the sheep will buy them. Bit like the iPad being the next best thing with no USB connection, no memory
expandability, etc etc etc.
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| posted on April 22nd, 2011 at 08:14 PM |
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Exactly!
That is what I have been telling people for years about the suckiness of the 009. But NOOoooo, does anyone listen?
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| posted on April 22nd, 2011 at 09:02 PM |
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What about that huge Datsun dizzy that some people on here promote ??
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| posted on April 23rd, 2011 at 02:24 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Brian
What about that huge Datsun dizzy that some people on here promote ??
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Datsun dizzy? never heard of that one. Being Japanese tho it probably has hall effect triggering and maybe even the coil built into the dizzy.
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| posted on April 23rd, 2011 at 08:35 AM |
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A few people have modded Camira and Magna distributors to VW but I've not heard of datto ones either??
There is a carbed model of Volvo 240 in the late 70s that had an Sbug dissy but with factory electronic ignition on it think it was a 242? wasn't
real common cos they were nearly all injected.
Still never found one at a wreckers yet.
My Exs E31 318i had one too, ment to pull it out one day see if the drive cog and shaft length was the same.
That car had lots of VW parts in it, guess the boys down the road at Munich were shopping at the same Supercheap as the Wolfsburg boys.
Look familiar to anyone??
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